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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 11 February 17 04:32 GMT (UK) »


I am not seeing a death reg for Thomas (the younger) nor a will on PROV. Couldn't see a suitable Electoral roll entry either but the last electoral roll would only be 1903. 

Judith

The death I gave above for 1906 at Brighton is the Thomas Elder BOYD , the younger  ;D

Struggling to locate a burial  ???
Sue
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 12 February 17 05:51 GMT (UK) »
Hmm

Thomas Elder BOYD (the younger) signed the application for probate of his father's will in 1860.

There is also a signature, as a witness, on the marriage certificate of Julia Laura CURTIS 1888, daughter of Julia CURTIS which appears to be for a Thos BOYD.

Seems to me that these signatures are from the same person (with the obvious missing middle name in the second signature).  What do others think?

DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 12 February 17 06:28 GMT (UK) »
Clever you Judith. ;D ;D
I have no doubts they are same signature .
I can see (I think) the initial E between Ths (abbreviated style) and Boyd..
Sue

 
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 12 February 17 06:45 GMT (UK) »
Smug grinning here......................  8)

By the way I see Thomas Elder, the elder was reburied in 1900
Thomas E BOYD, died 12/10/1860   
Buried 01/01/1900 at Fawkner Memorial Park
Old Pioneers - Removed from Old Melb. Cem,    Location: FA-OPS****336   
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx   

Can't see any sign of a burial for this elusive chap though. 

Judith

DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 12 February 17 07:37 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if Brighton Cemetery is the place.
I do not have access to the  register, but judging  by the locations of some BOYD deaths, it looks likely.
Sue

ADDING
St Kilda cemetery listing for Julia and others.
There is no MI
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/

 
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 12 February 17 07:44 GMT (UK) »
Probably at Brighton I would have thought - unless at Fawkner Park seeing as his father was re-buried there just 6 years earlier.

Most odd that there is no death record.  I can understand how children's births don't get registered but usually a death/funeral is handled by an undertaker who would not proceed without some formalities.

I don't see a marriage for him or other children  ???

As we already know, Julia Laura MOORE and her husband are in Landcox St, Brighton in 1906 according to the electoral rolls.

Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 12 February 17 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all for this continuous help :)
The research that you are all doing is fantastic and has completely blown me away.... :)
I am getting a little lost with it all so will need a few days next week to process it all of which will be a real joy...
I think eventually it  would be of real interest to try and make contact with someone from the Burge family etc .
I will have a good look through it all in the week..
Thanks once again
Rob

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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 12 February 17 21:15 GMT (UK) »
I am getting a little lost with it all so will need a few days next week to process it all of which will be a real joy...
 Thanks once again
Rob



Hi Rob,
I agree it is confusing and tangled.
Put simply, the way I see it anyway, is that Thomas Elder BOYD is the man with whom Julia CURTIS had a relationship and children.

There was not a marriage.

To conform with the expectations of society at the time, she just twisted his name round a bit and added in CURTIS to make the children seem legitimate upon registration of their births etc. She continued to call herself Julia CURTIS and he continued known as Thomas Elder BOYD, but at times used CURTIS.

It seems the relationship endured at least "off and on" as he was a witness on the marriage of a daughter Julia Laura. {see signatures}.

When he died in 1906, his death notice says he died in Brighton-the suburb noted in many CURTIS/MOORE events- But unfortunately no specific address is given in 1906 for Thomas Elder BOYD's death place.

It may well be on his death certificate as well as other family information to confirm or otherwise this connection.

My version of things anyway ;D
Sue


ADDING
As a footnote here.
Looking back through my notes here I did find , but did not post, that Thomas Elder BOYD was a property owner of a few places around South Yarra and Prahran in 1860's and 70's.
and remembering Judith found property in the name Thomas CURTIS, it seems he was using both names BOYD and CURTIS at that time.

 

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Re: Julia CURTIS.1857.
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 12 February 17 22:24 GMT (UK) »
I'd just add one more thing, Julia's death certificate says she married in Scotland and Thomas Elder Boyd Sr was born in Perth, Scotland.   

Thomas Elder Boyd Jr appears to have been baptised in Rochdale, England on 06 Jan 1835, but without the middle name "Elder"

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