Look up Request St Phillips Birmingham - JENKINS

[edinjam]

Hello,
I have just picked up my family history research into the Jenkins again after a break of many years. Going back meticulously over the research I carried out I realise I may have made a mistake and adopted a relative that doesn't belong to me.

My Gt Gt Grandfather JOHN JENKINS was born circa 1830 according to census records 1891/1881/1871. In 1871 he is living in Walsall Staffs/St Matthews Parish with his wife my Great Gt Gt Grandmother CATHERINE JENKINS (nee Slaney) along with my Gt Grandfather FRED JENKINS and a heap of siblings. They all work in the saddlery trade. Unfortunately I stumbled across another JOHN JENKINS in an 1861 CS who was born the same year, did the same job and had a mother called Elizabeth and I think I followed this family back mistakenly to the 1841 CS where it was revealed that his father was a WILLIAM JENKINS. I've got a horrible feeling this might be the wrong family.

Someone kindly did a look-up request for me in 2008 for a John Jenkins who was baptised in St Martins but I think this is the JOHN JENKINS belonging to the wrong 1861/51/41 censuses.

So I wonder if anyone who has the opportunity could possibly look up the following person I found yesterday on IGI:
JOHN JENKINS born 28/12/30 baptised 30/9/1831 with a mother Elizabeth and a father JOHN in St Phillips Birmingham. I'm particularly interested to see if there any other children or relatives within this parish.

I've ordered up a marriage certificate for JOHN JENKINS and CATHERINE SLANEY and am hopeful this will confirm the right parentage.

(I am sure it was an Ian that helped me last time - will have to look through my correspondence and old messages!)

[CaroleW]

Would it not be better to wait until you have the marriage cert and have confirmed exactly who his father was and his occupation?

Looking up a baptism before you have that information could be a waste of time and effort. 

[..claire..]

Hi

I do agree Carole,  but I had just written this lot out 

Additional info from the baptism was that the abode was Dale End and the father John was a bricklayer.

A definite child to the couple was THOMAS born 4 May 1836, bapt. 14th June, same abode and occupation.

Also to a JOHN and ELIZABETH Jenkins at Birmingham St Philips, father a labourer and abode: Milk Street

Richard bpt. 30 Sep 1824
Susanna Jenkins bpt. 14 Jun 1821
Maria bpt. 5 Aug 1816 ( abode: Slaney Street, labourer)

At Birmingham St Martins:

Mary Ann bpt. 29 Jul 1822 ( abode Milk Street, labourer)

claire

[edinjam]

Of course you're right Carole. I'm getting ahead of myself in the excitement of picking this all up again and discovering this 'other' John Jenkins  Sorry Claire but thank you for going to the trouble to look
that up for me and type it out. I will report back and let you know the outcome of seeing the marriage certificate when it arrives.

[..claire..]

No problem

[jim1]

John Jenkins & Catherine Slaney married on 27th. Dec. 1852 at St. Bart's. Edgbaston.
He is of full age & she is a minor.
Their status at the time was bachelor & spinster.
John's occupation is saddler & no father's name is listed.
Catherine's father is Thomas Slaney brass founder.
John gave B'ham as his address & Catherine gave Edgbaston.
Both signed in own hand & A & S Hill were the witnesses.
There may be a reason it was left blank. There were a large number of marriages over the Christmas period & many of the father's names & occupations have been left blank to save time & effort.

There's a Bapt. for George Jenkins on Jan. 19th. 1862 at St. Thomas B'ham with parents John & Catherine, he is a saddler & their address is Britannia Place Irving St. B'ham.

I believe this is the family you followed:
1851:
HO107; Piece: 2052; Folio: 230; Page: 15
Same family in 1841:
HO107; Piece: 1148; Book: 5; Folio: 28; Page: 7
Although only circumstantial in 1861 John was living in Latimer St. South & Elizabeth & family were in the adjoining Cregoe St. & 1862 John was living in Irving St. which also crosses Cregoe St.
In 1841 the family are in William St. which is about 200 yds. up the road.
I've looked at the post 1837 births & mmn was Yardley.
William Jenkins married Elizabeth Yardley 20/6/1831 St. Margaret's York.
A bit odd that they should marry in York however there is a Bapt. in B'ham 1812 for an Elizabeth Yardley so looks right.
There were 8 children in all.

Apart from John leaving his father's name blank it looks like the right family.

[edinjam]

Hi Jim1,
Thanks for all that. You were actually the person who helped me out back in 2008 and supplied me with some useful information. I came to this afresh again after all these years and discovered the 'other' John Jenkins on IGI and realised that there were no guarantees the other John which I had found in the above mentioned census records of 1841 and 1851 was 'mine'. So I am going back over things. Back in 2008 I too had reached the brickwall of having an Elizabeth Yardley and a William Jenkins marrying in York - couldn't take it any further. That's why I am looking at this John Jenkins who was baptised in St Phillips - infuriatingly with no father named in the record! I thought maybe there was another trail to follow.

Will the marriage certificate I get from GRO for John Jenkins and Catherine Slaney be based on the records you've referred to - is there any danger the father's name will be on that or were the details lifted directly from the records you are looking at?

Thanks once again for your help.

[jim1]

The info. on the cert. will be the same as above.

[jim1]

I'm particularly interested to see if there any other children or relatives within this parish.

Children of John & Elizabeth Jenkins:
Maria      Bapt. 1815
Susanna   do    1821
Mary Ann do    1822
Richard   do    1824
Elizabeth do    1828
John       do    1831
Thomas  do    1836.
They also lived in Milk St. & might be related.
John's occupation was labourer, bricklayer & chimney sweep.
There's a marriage in St. Martin's 1814 for a John Jenkins & Elizabeth Bull.
In the 1841 census there are only Richard, Elizabeth & Thomas living with them.
If this John was alive he would have been with them too as he was only 10.
There's no reason to believe this is your family.