JARVEY William Andrew - Scotland/Tasmania?/Australia

[Dundee]

Just trying to sort out the children.  The ones with an asterisk are the seven who went to NZ.

1846 (Hobart)
Elizabeth Ann *

Stated she was the eldest daughter and eldest child.

1848 (Hobart)
William James

Presumed died.  His father said “our first child died” when claiming that Elizabeth was not their daughter.  This may be the child he was referring to.  Elizabeth also stated in 1865 that she was the eldest daughter and eldest child.  Andrew JARVEY stated that he was the eldest son.

1850 (Hobart) Unnamed Female
Charlotte Jane *

Died 1864 NZ, in her 15th year – stated to be the second daughter

1852 (Hobart) Unnamed Male
Andrew *

Stated he was the eldest son and aged 13 years in Sep 1865

1853 (Hobart)
England *

1855 (Hobart)
Alice

Presumed died

1856 (Port Cygnet) Unnamed Male
Frank *

Stated as being "about 8" in 1865

1858 (Franklin) Unnamed Male
Archibald *

Died 1864 NZ aged 5

1859 (Franklin) Unnamed Female

Presumed died

1860 (Port Cygnet) Unnamed Female

Death registered May 1860, aged one month

1861 (Port Cygnet) Unnamed Female
Katie *

Child mentioned by her mother when she was dying and said to be aged 3 in 1864/65

[matthewj64]

I've been trying to sort out the children as well and agree with what Dundee has posted. I hadn't found a name for the youngest but did see reference to a 3 yo.

A few clues to add:

From Parish of Franklin burials
Alice, buried Sept 17 1856, 15 months
Catharine, May 14 1860, 4 months

Baptisms
May 14 1860 (day of burial above)
Frank (born Nov 24 1856)
&
Archibald (born Mar 29 1858)

There's an England Shaw of roughly the right age, origin Dunedin or in one case Dunedin (Tas) on crew lists for Tasmania and East Coast Australia.

M

[Dundee]

Well done.  I was going to suggest that the church registers would help to provide more details.

Katie is mentioned here:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBH18650930.2.15?query=katie%20jarvey

The latest entry I can see for England SHAW is in 1893 on the ship Morayshire of Glasgow from London to Sydney.

Debra 

[matthewj64]

Thanks Debra

There's a marriage of  William James Jarvey, full age, mariner, father William Andrew Jarvey, DD
to Priscilla Bishop, St James, Bermondsey, London, 9 Oct 1871

The William James born in 1848 would have been 16 yo when the family went to NZ, so may have already started working on ships?

William Andrew Jarvey and Catharine Shaw married in 1844 and Elizabeth is born in 1846, so there's a bit of a gap there for a first born who didn't survive.

M

[Redman1946]

Hi everyone

Marriage between William James Jarvey and Priscilla Bishop, St James, Bermondsey, London, 9 Oct 1871. Father William Andrew Jarvey DD. I think DD means Doctor of Divinity so I only saved this to my shoebox as not certain it was ours. But as William was a mariner it could be right. I haven't been able to find a reference to William James since his birth.

When the Jarvey homestead at Huon Valley was destroyed by fire in November 1858, William, Catherine and all 7 children were rescued, which would have included William James. Sophia, Catherine and Katie would not have been born by then. Again, adding up numbers, William James either died or left home before 1964 when they went to NZ.

The references to England Shaw are interesting. England is an unusual first name and he may have reverted to his mother's maiden name after the notoriety of the trial.

I think Dundee has got all the 7 children in NZ right, I had just caught up with the reference to Katie in one of the reports of Elizabeth's satements at the trial, I had previously thought the youngest daughter might be Sophia as I had found no record of her death prior to 1864. But obviously its Katie (possibly christened Catherine).

Still trying to find the proof that my great grandfather, William Andrew Jarvey (1853-?) was the son of William Andrew Jarvey (1823-1865) and Catherine Jane Shaw. The theory that a son with the same name as his father would be known by his second name at home, i.e. Andrew, was leading to the premis that Andrew and William Andrew were the same person. This fails with the article that Andrew drowned when the Lambard sank in 1866 on which he was a cabin boy. I am trying to find proof that he was actually on board that day, again on the assumption that newspaper reports are not always accurate in the hope that he lived past 1866.

One possible clue is the similarity between the some of the names of WA Jnr's children. Catherine Jane, his mother's name, James England, Frank, William Henry, John Thomas.

And who was the William Andrew Jarvey up before the magistrate in 1974?

Well done with what you have found so far.

Lynda   

[matthewj64]

Here's the baptism record for Andrew in 1852 at St George's, Battery Point

M

[Redman1946]

Well found M

The baptism record confirms his given name as Andrew so he can't be our William Andrew Jnr.

So its back to the search!

[Redman1946]

Just a note.

At WA Snr's trial his daughter Elizabeth was asked if Andrew 13 was the eldest boy. She replied that "The eldest boy at home." Of the births we know of, the eldest not at home would be William James (b. 1848) and confirm that he was still alive in 1865 and had left home before the family went to New Zealand.

She also confirmed that her little sister, though not giving a name, was 3 years old. Presumably Katie born in 1861 (possibly named after her sister Catherine born and died 1860).

She said that Frank was the youngest son still living and was about 8, and England about 11.

This tidies up a few loose ends but still doesn't help with the link between William Andrew Jnr (b. abt 1851 according to 1881 census) and the rest of the family.

Still looking!!

Also still trying to find details of the marriage between a William James Jarvey and Priscilla Bishop in 1871 as I can't find either family at that time, the only reference being the marriage record.

 

[Redman1946]

Another bit of information:

I knew that William’s wife, Catherine Jane Jarvey, was buried in the Southern Cemetery in September 1864 so I decided to have a look at the details on the website.  It shows her plot as Block 2P Plot 67 (with a photograph) and that her 3 children are also buried there:

Archibald
Charlotte
Charlotte Jane (Sophia)

all dying on 10 August 1864 and buried on 11 August.
 
This has now thrown up some more questions! We are pretty certain that only two children died since the family arrived in Dunedin in 1864:
 
    Charlotte died on 29 July 1864 (Folio No. 386) and her funeral was 1 August 1864. Confirmed by Elizabeth at the trial.
    Archibald 1864 (same Folio number, which is strange).
 
There is also a death record for Charlotte Jane in 1864 (Folio No. 395). Had there been a mix up in the Death Index as there are only two Folio Numbers and we don’t have a record for a Charlotte Jane at all. Did Charlotte have a middle name of Jane?

But of course there are three children listed as being buried on 11 August 1864.  Could the cemetery records be wrong and there were only two children buried in the plot? We know that they got Charlotte's burial date wrong as the funeral was advertised as being on 1 August. It also confuses things with the name Sophia in brackets in the cemetery list. They had a Sophia in Tasmania, but not in New Zealand.
 
I know these are old records, but I have asked the Trust if there is any way of finding out if the number of burials in the plot is correct and if there are any records giving more details?

Awaiting a reply.

There was some speculation about Charlotte having been poisoned, but at about the time of her and Archibald's deaths Elizabeth was recovering from scarlet fever. Is that what the other children died of? It would seem to be a more natural reason for them both dying so close together.