JARVEY William Andrew - Scotland/Tasmania?/Australia

[rosball]

In NZ in 1874, Wm Andrew JARVEY was charged with stealing banknotes and a watch
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jbf/

This account says W. Andrew JARVEY charged with stealing banknotes and a watch (implies he was known as Andrew)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jbh/

Ros

[rosball]

BUT  Andrew JARVEY, son of notorious Captain JARVEY was assumed drowned when the vessel on which he was a cabin boy was lost off NSW coast in 1867

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jbg/

Ros

[Redman1946]

Matthew

I had seen an advertisement for the book at the time of the trial at a price of 2s. But not a link to it. Thanks for that.

I have read numerous repots on the trials and inquest which have turned up all sorts of clues, and problems, as there has been a lot of conflicting information. Then again, newspaper reports are not always completely accurate.

Its been difficult establishing exactly which children survived as some were not given names at the time their births were registered. The ship's passenger list when William Andrew took his wife and children to New Zealand states that there were only five children on board, however considering the two deaths in New Zealand and the fact that five were supposed to have visited their father in goal the day before his execution, Elizabeth, Andrew, two boys (England and Frank), and the youngest a girl (Sophia?), it would seem that you are right that seven went.

I had read reports about the suspicious deaths of William's children at the Huon Farm and had wondered about Charlotte and Archibald's deaths in NZ just before their mother, but had not seen the article you have found. That's very interesting.  Again, another newspaper article was misleading when it said that three of his children died on the same day in August 1864 when I can only find death records for two.

Thanks again.

Regards
Lynda

[Redman1946]

Hi Ros

My original thought had been that William James (b. 1848) would have been about 15 when his parents went to New Zealand and may have stayed behind. This assumed that he was still alive at that time.

Your theory about William Andrew Jnr being called by his second name and being the Andrew (b. 1852) who went to New Zealand seems very possible. It also matches the birth year much better with the 1853 shown for WA Jnr in the England 1881 census. The way his name was given in the reports for his charge and conviction for stealing money in 1874 also seemed to point that way.

Andrew, son of WA Snr was before the Magistrate in November 1866 for theft on board the vessel where he was cabin boy.

I was getting quite excited up to the point when I read your last message stating that Andrew had drowned when the Lombard was lost in 1867. The only way he can now be connected to our William Andrew Jnr married in Scotland, is if he survived the wreck, although the newspaper report says he didn't.

On step forward, two steps back it seems!!

No, I don't have a copy of Catherine's death certificate, but I think I have worked out the names of the children who were in New Zealand at the time of her death.

Thanks for your help.

Regards.
Lynda

[matthewj64]

The arrival in NZ which shows 7 children

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18640430.2.5

The trial book on google books is vaguely searchable and I did see a bit where one of the children was talking about who else was in the family, but couldn't see it all as it only shows snips

M

[Redman1946]

Yes, that is a problem.

Thanks.

Lynda

[wivenhoe]

".. William Andrew..... married Jane Ford (1857-1917) in 1878 in Greenock, Scotland".

Can you list all the information on this certificate please. Other JARVEY family involved?

[Redman1946]

M

Thanks for the article showing 7 children going to NZ, this now makes the numbers add up, literally!

Thanks.

[Redman1946]

3 June 1878 St Mary's, Greenock

William Andrew Jarvey, Bachelor 25 Clothiers Assistant, 23 Nicholson Street, Greenock
Father: William Jarvey (Pawnbroker), Mother: Catherine Jane Shaw

Jane Ford, Spinster,23 Nicholson Street, Greenock
Father: Henry Jarvey (Labourer), Mother: Jane Murdoch

Witnesses: G Gardner, Susannah Redhead

No other Jarvey family involved

A Henry Ford, Labourer lived at 24 West Blackhall Street, Greenoch
Alexander Jarvis (don't think he was related to Jarvey) lived next door at 26 West Blackhall Street and had a Clothiers business at 34 West Blackhall Street

William Andrew Jarvey may have worked for Jarvis as a Clothiers Assistant, which is how he met Jane Ford.