Christian Moffat

[Gadget]

Will report back when I hear from them.

[cupcake]

Would like any information on my GGG Grandmother Christian MOFFAT (Fraser).......

Any information would be very much appreciated

Not my family, so just a suggestion

ANDREW MOFFAT son of WILLIAM MOFFAT/CHRISTIAN FRASER born Dumfries 17/02/1818
Parish/Ref 821/30 298
JOHN MOFFAT son of WILLIAM MOFFAT/CHRISTIAN FRASER born Dumfries 29/06/1815
Parish/Ref 821/ 30 282
MARY MOFFAT married JOSEPH FLEMING in Dumfries 31/01/1830


There were 2 William Moffats in Dumfries at this time whio had the following children

JANNET
07/12/1801

MARY
02/02/1806

MARY
05/03/1808

WILLIAM GRACIE
22/02/1810

WILLIAM
21/03/1810

MARGARET
17/08/1811

THOMAS
29/03/1812

JANNET
21/03/1813

deceased
13/12/1813

MATTHEW
WILLIAM MOFFAT/JEAN CORRIE
23/05/1815

JOHN
WILLIAM MOFFAT/CHRISTIAN FRASER
29/06/1815

ANDREW
WILLIAM MOFFAT/CHRISTIAN FRASER
17/02/1818

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

WILLIAM MOFFAT / CHRISTIAN FRASER Married Dumfries 10/09/1796
Parish/Ref 821/50 147

CHRISTIAN FRASER daughter of ANDREW FRASER born 17/08/1777  Dumfries
Parish/Ref 821/30 43

ANDREW FRASER married JANNET GIBSON on 14/10/1770 at Dumfries
Parish/Ref 821/50 70


I would check these out as possible siblings to Christian. Dumfries birth records (in 1777 at least) contains the fathers job and well as the names of a couple of witnesses.

JAMES
03/11/1771

MARY
04/04/1773

JOHN
19/11/1775

CHRISTIAN
17/08/1777

ANDREW
31/01/1779

MARION
16/01/1780

JANNET
06/01/1782

JOHN
11/10/1783

ANDREW
03/10/1787

Many thanks for all that information.

Looks as if you have found me another son for William & Christian MOFFAT  :
JOHN MOFFAT son of WILLIAM MOFFAT/CHRISTIAN FRASER born Dumfries 29/06/1815
Parish/Ref 821/ 30 282

Mary MOFFAT was born 1806 Dumfries ( I have managed to get Mary's birth entry 1806 - her marriage entry to Joseph FLEMING 1830 and his death 1832 -and Mary's death in 1867) but can't find William MOFFAT and Christian MOFFAT (Fraser).

 I will check these out as possible siblings to Christian, Dumfries birth records in 1777. Would be interesting to see the fathers job as well as the names of a couple of witnesses. I haven't any information on Christian's family.

Thanks again

cupcake

[cupcake]

Ah well another senior moment   Actually the transcription provided on the previous thread does say Christain. I simply in haste did not look at the sex! Mea culpa!

William

I have to be honest, I hadn't noticed this. I'll have to be more observant in future and, keep my sensible head on 

cupcake

[telmark]

I have the birth record for July 1777 for Dumfries but not August, that's how I know what info it contains. See attached.

This "were 2 William Moffats in Dumfries " should read "were at least 2 William Moffats in Dumfries" at this time

Dumfries archives webpage is here, its searchable, depending on the occupation he may appear in one of the trade minute books

http://archives.dumgal.gov.uk

[cupcake]

Would like any information on my GGG Grandmother Christian MOFFAT (Fraser)

She is on the 1841 Census  Robertson Street - Glasgow

Robertson Street

Christian MOFFAT  64  manager (my GGG Grandmother)  What would manager mean?
Mary FLEMING  35  Draper    (her daughter)
Isabella Morrison  30 ?
Andrew Moffat   22   (her son)
George FLEMING  12  (her grandson)
William FLEMING  10 ( her grandson)

She is not on the 1851 Census so she may have died there. It would appear she was a widow as no mention of her husband William MOFFAT (Blacksmith, Dumfries)

Any information would be very much appreciated

cupcake

Just wanted to add a little more information.

As I said Christian was possibly a widow before 1841. Can't find her husband William's death anywhere. They are all from Dumfries and would have been a daunting journey back then from Dumfries - Glasgow. Mary, her daughter was married to Joseph FLEMING in 1830 they had two sons 1830/1831. Joseph (shoemaker) died Annan, 1832 aged 28, just a year after their second son was born.

Were they in rented accommodation?

cupcake

[Forfarian]

Were they in rented accommodation?

The chances of them actually owning their house are very small. Almost the entire population, apart from a few large landowners, lived in rented accommodation.

[cupcake]

I have the birth record for July 1777 for Dumfries but not August, that's how I know what info it contains. See attached.

This "were 2 William Moffats in Dumfries " should read "were at least 2 William Moffats in Dumfries" at this time

Dumfries archives webpage is here, its searchable, depending on the occupation he may appear in one of the trade minute books

http://archives.dumgal.gov.uk

I can't make the connection with this birth certificate. Thank you for web site address.

cupcake

[cupcake]

Were they in rented accommodation?

The chances of them actually owning their house are very small. Almost the entire population, apart from a few large landowners, lived in rented accommodation.

Thought so just had to check.

Mary was at the same address in 1851 with son George 20  (painter) and son William 18 tinsmith
( All born Dumfries)

1861 Mary was  lodger at 3 Eglington Street Glasgow. Mary died 17 January 1867 aged 63 Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire.

[telmark]

It was just an example of the info on the birth certificate and the fact its legible