St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL

[Blue70]

For benefit of others following this thread:-

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=13849


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[Blue70]

From everything I've learned about her and her family (they were victims of the Irish potato famine, coming over to Liverpool for work only to find poverty.  Her father, Francis, died of typhoid in the Liverpool workhouse and I have no idea what became of her mother, Ann.)

When did they come over? I thought you had the family on the 1841 Census pre-Famine? Irish people settled in Liverpool throughout the 1800s the peak was c1847 around the time of the Famine.

The Victorians were two faced they had charities and institutions to look after people but they also discouraged people from seeking help through the harshness of those institutions. There was poverty in Liverpool amongst Irish and non-Irish but conditions were better than in Ireland and opportunities were better in terms of employment and self improvement.


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[NorahEllyn]

omgosh, my brain must be turning to mush today.  I don't have the 1841 census for them, I think I typed that without thinking--and yes, you're absolutely right about the timing of the family residing in Liverpool. 

I have the family living in Liverpool in 1851 when her father, Francis, was working as a dock labourer.  Though I WISH I could find travel records for them from Ireland (or just ANYthing that gave me the county in which they were born), Ann, the sister was born in Ireland around 1845, and Winifred was born in Liverpool in 1848, so my best guess is they came over right at the time of the famine. 

And I suspect the duplicity of the Victorians, particularly where the poor were concerned, is what keeps them so fascinating to us today.

Thank you so much for your help!
Norah

[garstonite]

I just found the marriage record from Francis Xavier on Francis Blake's marriage to Harriet Hirst in September, 1900.  He states on that record his father's name is Michael.  But the actual marriage certificate from the GRO shows his father as Francis Blake.  How about that for confusion?

Thanks again!
Norah

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/marriages.php
1900
blake
search
a record is £3 - click on Request Form 

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk may be of interest to you

[Blue70]

I just found the marriage record from Francis Xavier on Francis Blake's marriage to Harriet Hirst in September, 1900.  He states on that record his father's name is Michael.  But the actual marriage certificate from the GRO shows his father as Francis Blake.  How about that for confusion?

Thanks again!
Norah

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/marriages.php
1900
blake
search
a record is £3 - click on Request Form 

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk may be of interest to you

Al

I don't think Liverpool History Projects provide a record service any more. I tried to get a record from them myself a while ago, a baptism from an RC church in Lydiate that's not on Ancestry. No response from them. Other people have mentioned on Facebook that they got no response.

Regards,

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[heywood]

It looks as though Norah has the record. It is on Ancestry with father as Michael Blake.

[Blue70]

Just read a newspaper article about Philip Clarke's death. They were probably on the whisky at the time. Two friends having a disagreement. The spirit vaults they were drinking in can be identified through the mention of Mr Grace. He was Isaac Grace at 40 Scotland Road. It was called Faugh-a-Ballagh a phrase based on an Irish Gaelic war cry used by Irishmen in the British Army that translates as "clear the way". It was on Scotland Road between Gay Street and Ben Jonson Street next door to another spirit vaults that was on the south corner of Scotland Road and Gay Street.     


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[NorahEllyn]

Oh that is great!  I've added it to Philip's family information.  It must have been some fight.  I have the inquest from the Liverpool Echo and the trial transcript for Edward McGuinness.

Winifred testified at her husband's inquest that he came into the house, said he was "killed" and fell over, going to bed later on that night.  A day or two later, he went to the workhouse hospital and he died there from a ruptured bladder and peritonitis after accusing McGuinness of kicking him. 

The whole mess started when McGuinness told Philip he would not serve him and it escalated into an outside fight. 

He considered Clarke a "dangerous character" which is why he wouldn't allow Clarke to be served that night. 

The defendant actually got off with a 20 shilling fine and had to pay all costs.

Thank you so much for the information!  That's the kind of thing that adds real interest to these very human stories.

Norah

[Blue70]

I think you remembered that wrong. Edward McGuinness was a shoemaker, aged 29 years. The two men were drinking in the bar and got into a quarrel over some trivial matter. They went into the yard and had a fight. "Clarke fell, and the barmen in the place stopped the fight, and subsequently the men shook hands."

McGuinness was found guilty of the manslaughter of Philip Clarke and sentenced to six months' imprisonment with hard labour. Isaac Grace was charged separately of permitting drunkenness on the premises. The two men were, "supplied with drink in the public-house, whilst drunk".

Grace was fined 20s and costs. The following year Grace was refused the renewal of his license but with the support of others vouching for his good conduct his appeal was successful. I'm not certain the premises was Faugh-a-Ballagh at that time. It definitely appears on an 1891 map as Faugh-a-Ballagh. In the 1860s it was the "Dog and Partridge" so there was a change of name at some point.


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