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St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« on: Friday 13 January 17 04:40 GMT (UK) »
I'm seeking the Catholic baptismal record of:

Catherine Carroll, born January 1, 1876 in Liverpool, England.  She was born to a single woman Winifred Carroll.

I'm not sure if the church would baptize an illegitmate child, but as she was confirmed a Catholic when she sailed as a British Home Child, I assume this was the case.

As her mother married at Francis Xavier church in 1880, it seemed logical to assume that was their parish church.

Thanks so much in advance!
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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 January 17 08:16 GMT (UK) »
Liverpool Catholic Baptisms are available to view on Ancestry.  I cannot see a baptism for Catherine.  St Xavier baptisms are included in the collection.

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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 January 17 12:43 GMT (UK) »
I can't find an RC baptism. Lots of illegitimate children were baptised in RC churches and by other denominations. Were did you get the date of birth from? Do you have her birth certificate? If so where was she born? This appears to be the birth index as the GRO don't have a second parent's surname:-

Name: Catherine Carroll
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Liverpool
Volume: 8b
Page: 197

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp


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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 January 17 14:53 GMT (UK) »
As her mother married at Francis Xavier church in 1880, it seemed logical to assume that was their parish church.

Thanks so much in advance!
Norah

Can you give us the details of this marriage. The only Liverpool RC marriage around this time was at Holy Cross in 1885, Edward Gildea and Winifred Carroll, is this the marriage? According to one online index this Winifred Carroll was "wid.FEINLEY". I don't have access to the Liverpool RC record images at this moment this is the source:-

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hibernia/mar/carne2casy.htm


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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 January 17 15:23 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage at St Francis Xavier in 1880 but for Winifred CURRAN, daughter of Edward Curran and William Hickey, son of Robert. 14 September 1880.



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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 January 17 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi, and thank you for the responses.

Yes, that is her birth record.  Her birth certificate states:

She was born on the 2nd of January 1876 at 5 Court, Ben Johnson Street, Liverpool.  Her name was Catherine and her mother was Winifred Carroll, domestic servant (who was illiterate and made her mark on the 25th of January 1876.)

Catherine seems to have been hidden for her first eight years.  All I have been able to find is her birth certificate and sketchy information about her shipment to Canada.  Through years of research I determined that Catherine was taken to the Liverpool (Nugent) Catholic Protective Society for Children and subsequently sent to Canada via the British Home Children program on the SS Circassian.  The ship departed 7 September 1882 from Liverpool, calling at Londonderry on 8 September 1882 and arriving Quebec 18 Sep 1882.

She was placed in Ottawa with a hotel keeper and his wife but the wife died two years after her arrival.  Catherine ran away from the drudgery of her place as a hotel servant after her foster father remarried a girl who was the same age as Catherine.

There was another child, Francis Blake, who was born around 1873 in Liverpool, but no birth record can be found (so obviously I wish I could find his information as well).  He always said his father's name was Francis Blake as well. 

Francis Blake's descendants (some of whom I've contacted) knew nothing about his sister.  He married and worked as a dock labourer.  His mother remained living with him until her death in 1919 of respiratory illness.

Her mother married Philip Clarke at St. Peters (not Francis Xavier--D'OH), on 4 November 1878, in Liverpool.  Phillip was murdered in a bar fight in September 1882, two weeks after Catherine left for Canada.

As I have already been through the available RC baptisms on Ancestry, it's correct to say there is nothing there to be found for Catherine or her brother.  My understanding is that some records of the RC churches, Francis Xavier included, are only available at the Liverpool records office.  This is why I am hoping that when someone visits the library they might be able to look up Catherine (and her brother if possible).

She should be in the workhouse records, but she's not.  In fact, there's NOTHING about her in any documentation at all in Liverpool.  I have lots of information on her mother from workhouse records to her history as an "unfortunate girl" of the streets, but nothing on Catherine or her brother.

Thanks again for any help you might be able to give to me.

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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 January 17 18:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

1881 3632/13/19
1 House, 5 Court, Ben Johnson Street Liverpool

Catherine Carroll 5 yrs born Liverpool is a  lodger in a household - Corrigan.
There is also an Ann Carroll 33 yrs.

Have you checked this one?

The Clarks are living at 4 House, 5 Court - just 3 houses away. Francis is with Philip and Winifred.

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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 January 17 18:32 GMT (UK) »
Well found Heywood that'll be her:-

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1881%2f4360364%2f00029


Her mother is on the next page, Winifred Clark in Court 5, House 4:-

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1881%2f4360364%2f00030


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Re: St. Francis Xavier Baptismal Records - CARROLL
« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 January 17 18:35 GMT (UK) »
I just added to my post Blue after I found Winifred.
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