"Who Do You Think You Are" Series 13, Episode 5 Ricky Tomlinson

[smudwhisk]

There is a comment on Ancestry's Facebook page regarding the issue of not being able to go back prior to the start of registration in 1837.  Someone asked the professional genealogist via twitter why that was said.  Apparently that wasn't what she meant but that is how it came across after the programme editing.

[smudwhisk]

BumbleB - I was just posting that as I started the thread and it has got out of hand I was going to ask a moderator to lock it - which I've now done.
Lizzie

Rather than lock the thread which is a shame for just one small section, perhaps the Mods could intervene to conclude the dispute.

[Lostris]

BumbleB - I was just posting that as I started the thread and it has got out of hand I was going to ask a moderator to lock it - which I've now done.
Lizzie

LOL, you take a 'high & mighty' attitude to me commenting on your intolerant attitude - oh the Irony !

Goodbye please  ....

[sallyyorks]

Also, the fact that near the beginning the lady he was with said that they couldn't get back further because "civil registration began in 1837" - yes they did but surely there would be parish and other records to get back further.

Yes ! as you and others have pointed out.
I was completely baffled by that statement too. I believe what was said was something like

"...1837 when records for working class people began"

A bizarre thing to say. I didn't think the research or history in this episode was very good at all

[sallyyorks]

The programme pretended that sectarianism in Liverpool had all faded away by the start of the Great War.

Not many years ago I worked with a chap from Liverpool who supported Liverpool FC. His father refused to speak to him, because Liverpool are the "Catholic" club, while Everton are the "Protestants". My workmate explained "He's in the Orange Lodge and everything".

Maybe it was not obvious to RT or those making the programme, but there are still those in Liverpool who will treat him as a traitor for marrying who he did.

But isn't this kind of sectarianism related to imported divisions?, brought in by Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants and even then I think that too might be being exaggerated now
England had so many denominations, and Lancashire so many English Catholics anyway, that this sectarianism was an outside influence coming in with migration

As I posted earlier , I am not sure that many Church of England people (RT's family?) saw themselves as "Protestant" anyway

[Little Nell]

Well, I'd like to wish everyone the compliments of the season.  It is the season of goodwill, after all, not the one for declaring "Bah Humbug"   

So on this occasion, I will not lock the thread, but instead ask everyone to stick to the topic (see the title of the thread  )

I will also give you the opportunity to modify any comments which are outside the spirit of RootsChat or seasonal goodwill, or I'll have to call Scrooge to do it for you.  I don't want to ask him to get out of his box, but sometimes there seems to be no choice.

I am now going to carry on with my Christmas preparations, but I will be back.  Don't tempt me to return in full Arnie fashion!   

Nell

[Mike in Cumbria]

.. but I will be back.  Don't tempt me to return in full Arnie fashion!   

Nell

The Global Terminator!!

[alpinecottage]

As I posted earlier , I am not sure that many Church of England people saw themselves as "Protestant" anyway

I think "Protestant" in the context of the program was used in the sense that that was the word used by Catholics to describe non-Catholics ie all other Christians....not that I'm arguing this was the correct word to use, but that was how it was. 
In the late 1950s in Manchester, I remember a little girl aged about 6 telling me she hated me (also aged about 6)  because she was a Proddy-dog and I was a Catty-cat, so "Protestant" was clearly a word used by the whole community at that time.

[smudwhisk]

Regarding the genealogists comment on the programme about not being able to go back prior to 1837, as per my previous post, someone asked her about this on twitter - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j4r/.  You don't need a twitter account to read the replies, just click on the twitter post and you can see the genealogist's response if it doesn't appear.