1905 Death Apparently Not Registered But Probate Granted

[maryalex]

To my delight, I have now found my great-grandfather's date of death from the Calendar of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1920 at FamilySearch.  It seems that John Biggins died on 11 June 1905 and that probate was granted to his son in 1907.

He was on the 1901 census but gone by 1911.  I have never been able to find a registration of his death from 1901 to 1911 in Ballinrobe, where I would have expected to find it, or anywhere in Ireland and still cannot.

Has anyone any idea how the son could get probate granted in 1905 without proof that his father was dead?

Would some form of proof other than a death certificate have been acceptable?

[hallmark]

The Doc gives Death Cert.... which is then Registered, or meant to be registered, within a few weeks.

[dawnsh]

Probate can't be granted without a death cert so the inference here is that his details are in the death index but mis-spelt, he is missing from the death index but recorded locally or he died outside of the area you are looking for.

It might be worthwhile applying for a death cert and include the full details of the date of death and last known address, Cahernagry County Mayo, from the probate calendar.

[hallmark]

They'd have the Death Cert from the Doctor!

Doesn't mean they went to Registry Office to register it.

[myluck!]

They'd have the Death Cert from the Doctor!

Doesn't mean they went to Registry Office to register it.

I agree

My great-aunt's first husband has a death notice and probate but no registered death
He died in "a private nursing home" according to the death notice
Most likely they used the form/letter given by the doctor but possiblt assumed the death was registered by the nursing home
It is all i can think of 

[aghadowey]

For reference here's 1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Neale/Cahernagry_West/1576205
and Will Book-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014915/005014915_00021.pdf

The registrar would have recorded the death and then returns sent on to Dublin- perhaps has been missed from index. Not sure if a death certificate (in Ireland) would be needed to apply for probate/administration as I've seen quite a few probate notices in Ireland with incorrect dates (sometimes out by a few years).

[maryalex]

The Doc gives Death Cert.... which is then Registered, or meant to be registered, within a few weeks.

A doctor would not necessarily have been involved.  My grand-uncle's 1910 death certificate shows the cause of death as "Debility 12 months No medical attendant".

[hallmark]

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05643/4588064.pdf

but for 1903!!

He was on Census, in what townland??

[hallmark]

The Doc gives Death Cert.... which is then Registered, or meant to be registered, within a few weeks.

A doctor would not necessarily have been involved.  My grand-uncle's 1910 death certificate shows the cause of death as "Debility 12 months No medical attendant".

No Medical Attendant there when he died, but a Doctor would have to visit and sign a Death Cert.