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Help with finding a marriage please
« on: Sunday 18 December 16 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong place but I can't narrow it down to a geographical area.  I'm trying to find the marriage of my g-grandfather Herbert Croft (b1880 in Bradford).  My grandfather (herbert's son) was born in 1915 and his mother was Elizabeth Norris.  Herbert and Elizabeth weren't married when my grandfather was born. They did eventually marry in 1930 but on the marriage certificate it said that Herbert was a widow. I'm trying to find out who he married and when.  Herbert was in an industrial school in Everton on the 1891 census and he was conscripted to the army in 1899 and was posted to South Africa and India until 1907 when he transferred to army reserve.  He remained a reserve until he was discharged in 1911.  Am I right in thinking that he would come back to England as a reserve until discharge?  On the 1911 census he lived in Shipley (nr Bradford) and Elizabeth Norris was a boarder but there was no one else living in the house.  The census states that he was married at that time, but who to?  That is the question!  The reason why I can't pin it down to a particular area is that I've searched the records for a marriage in West Yorkshire and can't find anything for Herbert (his father's name was Albert Harrison Croft by the way). I wonder if when he came back to England he didn't come straight back to Bradford and lived somewhere else where he got married.  The time frame I'm looking at is 1907 to 1911 but is it possible he got married either in South Africa or India while he was serving in the army?  This is something I've been trying to discover for a number of years and I gave up a couple of years ago.  Now I'm back on my family tree and subscribed to Ancestry again I thought there might be some new records which would help but if there are I can't find them!  Any help or advice, or pointing in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.  Many thanks, Jackie  :)

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 December 16 23:32 GMT (UK) »
The number of years married is shown on the 1911 entry so marriage year is 1906-early1907
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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 December 16 00:34 GMT (UK) »
I've found Herbert Croft aged 30 and Elizabeth Norris aged 27 on the 1911 census.

On BMD site is the marriage of Herbert Croft and Elizabeth Norris in North Bierley in 1930.
A child with the surname Croft and mothers maiden name Norris was born in North Bierley in M1931 -
by this time if it's the same Elizabeth Norris would have been 46/47 years old.

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 December 16 01:42 GMT (UK) »
The 1930 marriage is already known about but Herbert is shown as married in 1911 and a widower on the 1930 cert.

It is his first marriage between 1906 - 1907 that is the puzzle

The person born in 1931 mentioned in the reply above may still be alive so his details need to be removed
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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 December 16 08:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your replies. As Carole W says it's Herbert's first marriage which I'm looking for. Jackie

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 December 16 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Yorkshire Bmd has a marriage in 1906 of a Herbert Croft to an Annie Holt, at St Hilda, Leeds, Knowshorpe. A possibility.
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Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 December 16 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Freebmd also has a marriage in the March Quarter of 1906 of a Herbert Croft and on the same page is an Annie Holt. Reference: Leeds 9b 519.
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Baker/Cheshire,Crewe/Somerset
Davies/Calvert/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Yorkshire, Bowes
Fitzsimmons/Cheshire, Birkenhead/Lancashire, Liverpool/Ireland
Lewis/Cheshire,Spurstow, Bunbury, Little Budworth, Helsby/Birkenhead
Mackay/Mckay Caithness
Anderson/, Caithness
Dunnet, Caithness
Mowat/ Caithness
Gunn/ Caithness
Smith/Caithness, Dunnet, Thurso, Castletown
Rosie/Caithness, Thurso
Sadlier Forster/Liverpool/Ireland, Cork

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 December 16 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Yorkshire Bmd has a marriage in 1906 of a Herbert Croft to an Annie Holt, at St Hilda, Leeds, Knowshorpe. A possibility.
Regards
Kathb

Image on Ancestry,  Herbert's father's name is George

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That Herbert and wife Annie can be found on 1911 census
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help with finding a marriage please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 December 16 13:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I'm aware of Herbert and Annie Holt but as Lizzie says his father isn't Albert Harrison Croft. I appreciate your help though  :)