Birth lookup for Francis MCHugh Reid

[minniehaha]

See reply #5.....

Here Rose is mentioned in the passenger list along with David G. and the rest of the REID family. 


Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

Some newspaper items about David G. & Rose.......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18750603.2.13?query=david%20g.%20reid

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18750622.2.12.6?query=david%20g.%20reid

Funeral notice of David Glen Reid.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18840612.2.35.3?query=david%20glen%20reid

Minniehaha.

[NZfitzy]

Very interesting especially the court case. Looks like they may split for very good reasons. That newspaper article listing the passengers on the Belgravia listed a lot of Reids with David Glen Reid. Would they have all been his family do you think or just all Reid passengers. Could Francis have been born on the ship perhaps.Is there a record of births on ships do you know.?

[Lucy2]

Hi

I looked earlier through a number of records for evidence of the birth of the child Francis McHugh REID ... to no avail I'm afraid.

In a report of the voyage in 1865 of the "Belgravia", it was mentioned that there had been one death (of an infant), ... and one birth (no surname given). 

Unfortunately, Archives New Zealand don't appear to have a copy of the passenger manifest / or a list of the immigrants aboard the 1865 voyage of the "Belgravia" which might have offered much more detail.   [The only "passenger list" available appears to be that sourced from the newspaper. ]

*   Is the death at Wellington in December 1885 is for your Rose REID ??
[Rose G. REID - aged 47 years - died or buried 10 December 1885 - Bolton Street Cemetery ]

*  Do you have the Death records (preferably "printouts" - images of registry entries) for David Glen REID and Rose REID ??

   ~ Lu

[NZfitzy]

Yes that is my David Glen Reid  died 1884 and Rose Reid died 1885 In Wellington and I do have copies of death Certs for both. Yes I also cannot find Francis Reid. There is a mystery here.

[Lucy2]

Hi

Okay, do those death certs give the "ages of their issue"  (that is, the ages of their living children) ?

   ~  Lu

[SignalHill]

Bernard Francis McHUGH apparently usually known as Francis is shown in St Paul's Marriage Register as a Trooper
see Presbyterian Archives - Hawkes Bay Presbytery : St Paul's Napier
There do not appear to be any other Reids of that generation at least in the St Pauls Marriage register.

My guess is that Francis McHugh REID was the pre-marriage child of Francis McHUGH and Joanna REID given the family names of both parents and the forename of his Father.   Francis McHUGH then made an honest woman of Joanna by marrying her soon after Francis junior was born.

Where and when did they get together ? 

Further information may be available from St Pauls
"St Paul’s plans to make it’s historical records available for research and public inspection. The originals are held in the Regional Archives at the Hawkes Bay Museum and Art Gallery in Napier.
Note: at present access is not available to our records until the alterations to the Hawkes Bay Museum and Art Gallery are complete."

There may also be some record of the movements of Trooper McHUGH in the 1860s

Signal

[NZfitzy]

Thanks for all this everyone. Firstly the ages of the children on David Glens Cert are 3 males 26,22,17 and 5 females 24,20,12,10,7 the non Roses death cert 3 males 28,23,19 and 5 females 27,21,13,9,3. I think David's are more likely to be correct.Mind you this was David's second marriage and he bought children with him from Londonderry. His first wife Ane Robertson died in 1854 in Londonderry and he married Rose in 1855.

Yes where did Johanna and Francis Bernard MCHugh get together? Was it on the boat as they both were on the Belgravia or did they know one another in Londonderry. They married in 1868 Jan 28 in Napier and moved to Melbourne where they have a family. Like you we now think he was bought up by his grandparents. He is the spitting image of Bernard Francis McHugh as I have seen a picture of him on Ancestory on a tree in Australia but of course my Francis is not mentioned in that tree. Maybe those St Paul Records may show up something when they become available or his military records as you say. He was actually born in Warrington.

[minniehaha]

Further to reply #12 and the birth which occurred on the voyage of the Belgravia....

I'm only guessing but this may have been the 'infant' referred to. See 4th & 5th lines of newspaper report listing passengers (at reply #5):

"Charles Dunkley and infant".....

Just a thought, but a possible reason for not finding the birth for Francis is that it was never registered. It appears that his birth year was actually around 1865. Rose was possibly pregnant on the voyage and gave birth perhaps not long after arrival here. With a large family to cope with, registration may have been the last thing on the minds of the parents.

Minniehaha.