Am I of (proveable) royal descent?

[coombs]

As for the original query, well it seems good up to Jane Disbrowe. I looked on FreeReg and a William Walford was baptised in Bocking in 1700, son of John. No mother mentioned, is that one thing you are trying to confirm, that William born in 1700 was the son of John and Jane? Or do you think there is a small chance he was descended from another John Walford?

[TheNineteenth]

Thanks coombs!

The William Walford one is a 'weak link', I suppose. I got my original information from Noble:

"Jane, the daughter of mr. Val. Disbrowe, is ancestress of many families; I shall, therefore, be as particaular as possible, fearing the reader may not otherwise comprehend me; she was married to mr. John Walford, a wealthy clothier in Essex, as were most of his descendants; by whom she had two sons and a daughter, William, Richard and Jane; mr. Will. Walford, the eldest son, was also a clothier, he married miss Mary Bacon..."

I managed to find - if memory serves! - from the Bocking records a reference to William being baptised there in March 1700. I believe I found that there were seven children born to John, and that there was a marriage ref. for him and Jane there in 1698. I can't remember if there are any other Walfords knocking around Bocking at the time (either called John, or not). Obviously if there were, then this would put my claim into trouble!

[coombs]

Well I have looked on Boyds and on Freereg and Ancestry and cannot find a marriage of William Walford to Mary Bacon yet. A Jane Bacon was born in 1726 to William and Mary in Bocking, which throws weight onto him being the son of John and Jane.

Good news now. A William Walford, gentleman left a will, proved in 1767, and he mentions a son John Disbrowe Walford. Also mentions daughters, Mary, Jane and Frances. And mentions son in law Arthur Tabrum. He left the will in 1766.

Arthur Tabrum born in 1758 must have been the son of an Arthur Tabrum then?

So it does look like William is the son of John Walford and Jane Disbrowe.

[chrissys250]

Hi..my name is Chrissy I am from Victoria Australia...I was born in Burnie Tasmania. On my maternal line  I am related back through Hanson/Barry/wade//walford/mayhew/bacon and walford/ disbrowe//cromwell/williams/ etc

William Bacon
1677–
BIRTH 5 AUG 1677 • Langham, Essex, England
DEATH Langham, Essex, buried St Mary the Virgin Church Essex
7th great-grandfather

Married
30 Jul 1702 • Langham, St Mary The Virgin, Essex, England
Elizabeth Ham
1681–1761
BIRTH ABT 1681 • of Langham, Essex, England
DEATH ABT 1761
7th great-grandmother

 There daughter Mary Bacon
1704–1758
BIRTH 29 AUG 1704 • Langham, Essex, England
DEATH 30 JUN 1758 • Bocking, Essex, England
6th great-grandmother

Married  1722 Bocking, Essex
William Walford
1700–1766
BIRTH 23 MAR 1700 • Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England
DEATH 31 OCT 1766 • Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England
6th great-grandfather

William Walford was the son of John Walford and Jane Disbrowe

I have a tree on ancestry..I have extensively researched my mums ancestors if anyone would like help please contact me.

Chrissy

[GreyAus]

I post this for your delectation and hope that someone will try and challenge it (and that I can successfully defend it!). I know I would if I saw someone saying it, but anyway - here are my three direct lines of descent from Henry II, King John, and King John again. Let me know if I need to rethink, or if you spot a massive flaw that needs sorting!

I just think this needs putting to the test of some rigour. So here goes - challenge it all you like!

My Great Grandma was Emma Moore, born Waterloo, Liverpool in 1874. Died Seaforth 1955.
Her mother was a Harriet Amelia Cooper, born 1844 in Lane End, Stafford. Died Waterloo(?) 1923.
Her mother was a Frances Robinson from Essex, born there 1810.
Her mother was a Mary Ann Tabrum, born at Aveley, Essex 1783.
Her father was Arthur Tabrum, born 1758 at Bocking.
His mother was Mary Walford, born at Bocking in 1723.
Her father was William Walford, born at Bocking in 1700.
His mother, Jane Disbrowe, was born around 1675.
Her father was Valentine Disbrowe, born at Huntingdon around 1643.
His mother was Jane Cromwell (sister to Oliver), born at Huntingdom 1606.
Her mother was Elizabeth Steward, who lived between around 1564 and 1654.
Her father appears to be Sir William Steward, who died in 1594.
His father appears to be Nicholas Steward, who lived at Ely, having received a lease of the rectory there in 1548 from his brother, the Dean.
His mother was Cecilia Baskerville, born around 1470 of Eardisley, Hereford.
Her father was John Baskerville, c 1438 Eardisley.

Now my line splits into three.

Line One:
John's father was Sir John Baskerville, a knight born in February 1408 at Eardisley. He died December 1455.
His father was another John Baskerville (1387-1415) of Hereford.
His mother was Joan Everingham of Laxton, Nottingham.
Her father was William de Everingham, born around 1333 at Laxton, died around August 1370.
His mother was Joan Deiville of Egmanton, Nottingham (1315-1377).
Her father was John Deiville (1276-1325/6) of Egmanton
His mother was Maud Audley (c1260 of Audley, Stafford)
Her mother was Ella Longespee (1228-1299) of Audley
Her father was Sir William Longespee (1212-1250).
His father was William Longespee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury (1176-1226)
He was an illegitimate son of Henry II.

Line Two:
Sir John Baskerville's mother was Jane Brugge (1389) of Bridge Sollers, Hereford.
Her father was Sir John Brugge, a knight of Staunton Upon Wye (1368-1436)
His mother was Isabel de Grandison (1340 of Ashperton, Hereford)
Her mother was Blanche de Mortimer, Viscountess of Grandison (1310-1347) of Wigmore.
Her father was Roger Mortimer, Earl of March, born at Netherwood, Thornbury (1287-1330)
His father was Edmund Mortimer, a Baron. Born and died at Wigmore and lived 1252-1303.
His father was Roger Mortimer, another Baron. Born at Radnor, Wales in 1231.
His mother was Gwladys, daughter of Llewllyn of Wales (1205-1251).
Her mother was Joan Plantagenet.
And her father was King John.

Line Three:

Sir John Baskerville's wife was ELizabeth Touchet (1404 Heleigh, Stafford)
Her father was John Tuchet, 4th Baron of Audley
His father was Sir John Tuchet
His mother was Joan Audley (1331-1393)
His mother was Joan Mortimer (b. 1312)
And then the line rejoins the previous one, with the father being Roger Mortimer (1287-1330).

I have also found a link to the Baskerville family of Eardisly in my tree. The family were brought to comparative poverty following the civil war when the Castle was all but destroyed. It was then sold and the family dispersed. My Baskervilles appear a few miles away in Wolverley Worcestershire. My ancestor was the sister of John Baskerville -The Printer, (1706 - 1775). During his lifetime he spoke of his knowledge that he was descended from the Baskerville's of Eardisley. I am most interested in the connection of the Baskerville's to the Grey family (Lady Jane Grey, Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England, Elizabeth of York, Queen of England) so there is another line of royal descent for you 

[GreyAus]

I am adding the line of descent of the Baskervilles from the Grey family for your information.


Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England,  (1437-1492). Married first Sir John Grey Sir, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby, 1432–1461. (Married second, King Edward IV.) Their Daughter Princess Elizabeth Plantagenet known as Elizabeth of York (1466- ) married King Henry VII Tudor.

Elizabeth Woodville and John Grey had a son - Thomas Grey 1st Marquis of Dorset, 1st Earl of Huntingdon, 7th Baron Ferrers of Groby, (1455 - 1501).

Thomas Grey married Cecily Bonville, (Baroness De Grey) (1460–1530)

Thomas Grey and Cecily had 13 children. (Their son Thomas is the grandfather of Lady Jane Grey, Queen of England) Their daughter Mary Grey, (1493–1537) married Walter Devereux, Lord Ferrers of Chartley, (1488–1558).

Mary Grey and Walter Devereux had a daughter - Katherine Devereux, (1506– )

Katherine Devereux married Sir James Baskerville M.P & Sheriff, Knight Banneret, Knight of the Bath.

Sir James Baskerville was the son of Sir John Baskerville and ELizabeth Touchet as detailed in your line 3.

Hope this helps!