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Offline TheNineteenth

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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #54 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Andrew Tarr - I don't believe I'm a product of my parents or previous generations, but they are of interest to me for what they could achieve given their own lots in life. My grandparents and parents were great recipients of advancements in social mobility, whereas for their own ancestors - and myself, and my own children - things are more different.

Also, Andrew, like you, my ancestors had never "risen further" than that of Yeoman. But my more recent developments were a very happy accident. Unusual surname, well indexed parish records, etc...

Sloe Gin - I have found, like you, that many of my Steward relatives all try and trace the most potentially illustrious lines, despite those having the ropiest provenances! They sound similar to those claiming descent of your Admiral Benbow :)

jim1 - I'm never normally one to avoid rising to the bait, but other than the fact that only a handful of people have addressed my initial request ("Please try and discredit my evidence!") I've not noticed anything too bad in this thread. Mostly a case of people misreading or misunderstanding me. Hopefully not deliberately...

Skoosh - as I'e reiterated a few times now, my quest wasn't particularly to find "royal blood", but simply to take my tree back as far as I could. I always knew I would have to find illustrious ancestry in order to do that. And, to be honest, anyone you're able to trace back to the 1200s or so is usually going to be a bastard child of a royal somewhere or other! My own research suggests that Oliver Cromwell himself was of royal descent, of course.

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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #55 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:20 GMT (UK) »
  You folks know from your own family experience & from sharing that of folk posting on Rootschat that family history is an unchancy business, I have cousins with the same surname who I've found out are nothing of the kind, they don't know that & I certainly won't enlighten them. A universal circumstance I'd have thought but learning about history is never time wasted!  ;D

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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #56 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:35 GMT (UK) »
  You folks know from your own family experience & from sharing that of folk posting on here that family history is an unchancy business, I have cousins with the same surname who I've found out are nothing of the kind, they don't know that & I certainly won't enlighten them. A universal circumstance  & learning about history is never time wasted!  ;D

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Instead of sneering with talk of "fantasy island" and "alley cats", why not take up the OP's request and see if you can specifically "discredit the evidence"?
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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #57 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:38 GMT (UK) »
The OP was never stating they wanted an urge to find royal roots, just trying to prove a possible link to royalty.

And there are no alley cats or fantasy islands as many Brits will have a royal ancestor and it was very easy to slip down the social scale.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #58 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:41 GMT (UK) »
I don't think there is such an "urge" here.  I didn't get that impression from the OP at all, simply that he wanted people to look for any possible errors.

I think anyone willing to take on that task would take a very long time to do so at a very expensive cost.

As a paper trail is needed, I doubt anyone would be willing apart from doing what has already been done, a quick search through names/dates provided which is not scrutinising it at all.

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #59 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:51 GMT (UK) »
I don't think there is such an "urge" here.  I didn't get that impression from the OP at all, simply that he wanted people to look for any possible errors.

I think anyone willing to take on that task would take a very long time to do so at a very expensive cost.

As a paper trail is needed, I doubt anyone would be willing apart from doing what has already been done, a quick search through names/dates provided which is not scrutinising it at all.

Annie

I wouldn't presume to speak for other people.   Someone else may have already done research into some of these lines and found something that had been missed.
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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #60 on: Monday 12 December 16 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes, and we all know how often when we're totally stuck, someone else on here will kindly look at what we've got, spot something we've missed, or got wrong, and gently set us on the right path again .... or pat us on the back, even, for having got it all right!
I alsways think it's quite hard to absolutely PROVE anything totally - one small slip with two folk same ages and names, even, in a case of mine, same parents' names, and it can send you wildly off course. Then - when you ( or someone sharper-eyed) finally spot it ... the hunt is on again!!
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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #61 on: Monday 12 December 16 14:20 GMT (UK) »
cooms - indeed. My 'lot' seem to have sunk from royalty to Knights, to extremely wealthy landowners, and eventually to prosperous farmers. I know that the further descent occurs then when Frances Robinson "runs off with a gypsy".

Rosinish - I wasn't expecting anyone to do a forensic paper trail trawl of all the names and connections, but thought it likely that, the closer I got to the top of the tree, someone might have experience of the links and names, and be able to discredit some of them, if necessary.


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Re: Am I of (proveable) royal descent?
« Reply #62 on: Monday 12 December 16 14:46 GMT (UK) »
Rosinish - I wasn't expecting anyone to do a forensic paper trail trawl of all the names and connections, but thought it likely that, the closer I got to the top of the tree, someone might have experience of the links and names, and be able to discredit some of them, if necessary.

Ah, I see, a bit more feasible then  :)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"