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G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« on: Thursday 08 December 16 21:02 GMT (UK) »
Dear all,

I have recently received a copy of my 3x great grandfather, George Nixon's (1833-1917) diary, that was written in whilst he was aboard the TipTree (D: 21/09/1856 Liverpool- A: 9/01/1857 Melbourne)

In it he mentions 3 people, numerous times. One of them being a 'T. Henderson' who he becomes friends with and sings regularly on the ship. Another being a 'J. Watson' who appears drunk a few times with Henderson and is also on cooking duty a few times with Nixon. The last is a 'John Fury' who was killed on December 1st when he was caught in some rope and thrown overboard.

I was wondering if anyone would be able to bring some light on these people. The diary explains many events that happened aboard ship (eg: Births, deaths of children, fights and even kids getting buttons stuck up their noses!), but it does not go into great detail about the people on board, their past and also their plans for the future. I would love to know a little bit more about these people so I can have a better understanding of my 3x great grandfather's experience onboard.

Also, on the 1851 census, George who is 17, is recorded as a sherpard. His father, George, was apparently known as a 'prize sheep breeder,' on a property known as Ladyhill. But on the passenger list, he gives his occupation as miner. I'm not sure if there is any way we can find out a little bit more about his occupation as a miner, maybe even where he worked?

Any help or opinions are much appreciated!  :) ;D

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 December 16 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
 The following gives both HENDERSON and WATSON as having the forename Thos:
There is also 2 other HENDERSONS' onboard.

http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=&GivenName=&Ship=tiptree&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchSortField2=&SearchRecords=5000

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 December 16 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Dear all,

Also, on the 1851 census, George who is 17, is recorded as a sherpard. His father, George, was apparently known as a 'prize sheep breeder,' on a property known as Ladyhill. But on the passenger list, he gives his occupation as miner. I'm not sure if there is any way we can find out a little bit more about his occupation as a miner, maybe even where he worked?

Any help or opinions are much appreciated!  :) ;D

In 1857 Victoria, a very great many people were "miners" as the great gold rush, beginning about 1850 continued.
Hopeful diggers in their thousands arrived at the ports. Single men were a  majority.

Was your George NIXON married in Australia or later when he returned to Britain. (Assuming he did leave Australia)
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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 December 16 04:33 GMT (UK) »
George Nixon stayed in Australia until his death in 1917. In Australia, he continued to breed sheep, so that's why I am a little confused about why he gave his occupation as miner on the immigration record. Maybe he wanted to be a miner? ???

Also thanks Leanne! I will check out the links now :D


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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 December 16 04:42 GMT (UK) »
Imagine you are the clerk recording in long hand all the details for the passenger lists, and you know that the vast majority of the men list their occupation as Miner, as that is what is needed in the colony.    What's the easier option, without first stopping and wandering off to find the passenger to check first hand if he is a Miner or a Shepherd .....

Imagine you are Geo NIXON standing at a counter seeking a ticket to Australia to 'make your fortune' finding Gold, even though your upbringing and training has been as a Shepherd.    The ticket clerk says "occupation" .... do you say I am a shepherd, or do you say "same as the others, I dig gold".

He lands in Victoria, gets to the goldfields, tries his hand, doesn't get much return for his efforts, but sees there's many groups of people who want food on their table.   He finds an employment bureau and discovers that farmers are paying regular wages for shepherds, and of course a shepherd has butchering skills, so he can take up his former occupation here in this new land.

Speculation of course, but likely not very far off the mark.

Remember that the passenger lists are not in the handwriting of the passengers, and if the info is recorded in the presence of the passengers, for it to be validated by the passenger, the passenger needed to be able to read, and to read well .... in fact to read long hand writing 'upside down' for the document would be facing the scribe, and not the passenger.

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 December 16 21:59 GMT (UK) »
What a fantastic point JM!  ;D
It is amazing when you think about how much different our society was to theirs. To think that all they did was state their name, age etc to a scribe and now we have passports and border control!

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 December 16 04:08 GMT (UK) »
Serious accident to an Australian Emigrant ship.
Accounts from Lisbon announce  that the Royal Mail Ship Tiptree, Captain Pinel of the White Star, line of Australian Packets, with 500 emigrants on board was compelled to put into that Port on October 8,with loss sails, topmast, caps and loss of crosstrees, formast head sprung and leaky, having encountered a fearful gale from S.W., N.E of Cape Finisterre.
(The Leicester Chronicle. Oct 18, 1856).
BELL :Coatbridge, Sct & West Aust
WALLIS :Lamberhurst, Ticehurst, Frant. Ssx & West Aust
SENYARD :London.
VEAZEY :London
PARMENTER :Acton Suffolk & London & West Aust

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 December 16 06:42 GMT (UK) »
TROVE has mentions of the ship arriving into Port Philip Bay.  Two mentions in this newspaper - one giving the passenger list for the "cabin" passengers. The hoi-polloi are dismissed merely with stating that there were  'three hundred and fifty-two in the intermediate and steerage'.

In the second column is a description of the ship as looking "very dirty and the passengers very miserable".  The man who fell overboard is named as John JURY however he is on the PROV site as John FURY.
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7142969

Mention of the problem early in the voyage, as already mentioned by John Bell
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12991226

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Re: G. Nixon, T. Henderson, J Watson and John Fury (Tiptree 1856)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 December 16 05:54 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for my late response, I have been out of range of internet and reception! Thank you Judith and John for your help!
The storm that caused the damage to the ship was recorded in George's diary. It sounds like it was pretty horrific and the account of the damage (which is not fully described in his diary) that you provided is very helpful! The trove articles again fill in a few blanks and bring new light on the storm and conditions on board.  ;D :)

I also just discovered that George Nixon's pocket watch is still in the family. What a great surprise!