Eileen Mann

[thomasina]

Herbert was murdered 13th June 1956 by my aunt Eileen Mann he was a window cleaner and she was living with him she went to trial at the old Bailey and got 5 years holloway I would think and was found dead in 1973 in a van in St pancreas I have her death certificate before she was with Herbert she was married to my dad's brother Albert Mann in 1947 and before him Harry naylor who died also in 1947 she had 2 children with Harry 1940 and 1942 no idea wgat happened to them? Old Bailey records state Herbert had a daughter and Eileen a son so cannot release in case they are still alive and also suicide references so lots to research

[jonwarrn]

Looking at the article in The Times, 15 June 1956. It's there! The exact address.
Eileen Mann, aged 33, a cleaner, of 189, Hampstead Road, N.W., was charged at Clerkenwell Court yesterday with the murder of Herbert White, 47, at 189, Hampstead Road on June 13. The Magistrate (Mr. Edward Robey) remanded the accused woman in custody for a week and granted her legal aid.

Herbert B White on the electorals must be the man.

[rosie99]

That is good John 

Maybe the way forward now is the marriage for Herbert & Gladys as that should give his fathers name.  It will have more information than the death certificate

[carol8353]

The only one I can see in Hampstead Road in 1955/56 is Herbert B White at number 189. With two Ferrimans, no other Whites, and no Eileen.

Pretty much the same on the electoral rolls of 1946 - 52  too.

[Rmpim]

Hi
Herbert White was my Grandfather - I had made a FOI request for the court papers but was informed it had been closed.
He did have one daughter - my mother who wanted nothing to do with him for reasons I wont go into here.
I was told that he was a Fireman but havent been able to find out if this is true.
I do hope you are having more success in your research

[LizzieL]

There doesn't seem to be a Herbert Benson White birth reg in right quarter to fit his age. Perhaps he started life as Herbert Benson?

Added
Or he was plain Herbert White but added a middle name later for some reason. I have several ancestors who've acquired middle names in later years, often for no obvious reason.

[thomasina]

Hi
Herbert White was my Grandfather - I had made a FOI request for the court papers but was informed it had been closed.
He did have one daughter - my mother who wanted nothing to do with him for reasons I wont go into here.
I was told that he was a Fireman but havent been able to find out if this is true.
I do hope you are having more success in your research

Hi thank you for posting on here, would love to text more but would rather do private as would not like to put sensitive thibgs
I have also tried for foi but its closed till 2141 if you would like to get in touch please do.
Jean

[Rmpim]

Hi thank you for your message and yes would love to chat.  Just trying to find out how to reply to your pm / im not the most techy savvy

[thomasina]

Hi thank you for your message and yes would love to chat.  Just trying to find out how to reply to your pm / im not the most techy savvy

Hi I will send you another pm
Jean