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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #36 on: Monday 19 December 16 01:45 GMT (UK) »
Taking the risk that this may generate another raft of apologies ;), are we totally sure that Timothy is a 'Hort'?

I cannot see any other option but am currently unable to find anyone (him, parents, siblings, etc) that could even possibly be a link.

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Could it be 'Host'? Then thought Horl then phonetically Hall. Not sure where in Lincolnshire this is taking place but there are a number of Timothy Halls in various parts of Lincolnshire in 1600s/1700s.   

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #37 on: Monday 19 December 16 01:57 GMT (UK) »
And a name like Mary Thrall, Thrale, Threll? or even Thralie?
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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #38 on: Monday 19 December 16 06:14 GMT (UK) »
Maybe a spanner but...

Looking at Timothy there is a son on the 1st image (3rd line) named John Bassal & the 2nd last letter in Ho*t looks like the 's' in Bassal i.e. possibly Host?

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #39 on: Monday 19 December 16 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Annie, I'm afraid the son's surname is Barrat.

The final letter is not looped, so is a t (uncrossed as per many words in the extracts) and not an l.

Were the third and fourth letters ss, we would see a long-s as the first of the pair.  He uses long-s in mid-word positions, as was the custom of the time.  Quite a few words contain long-s in beginning or mid-word positions.

You can see the formation of the letter r in many words - for example (from the long extract on the previous page):

Partney, several, pleasure, Executor and security


Timothy's surname is either Hort or ffort.  The first example is clearly an H.  The others are more ambiguous.  I hope Edward has checked for ffort anyway.




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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #40 on: Monday 19 December 16 13:35 GMT (UK) »
For illustration of the points made in my previous:  ...releases & assurances...

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #41 on: Monday 19 December 16 14:37 GMT (UK) »
This thread has me quivering!!!

I love it even though I don't have the faintest idea what the surname is?!

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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #42 on: Monday 19 December 16 14:43 GMT (UK) »
I don't often get involved with these queries but straight away I thought Timothy Host. The letter that you are reading as r looks far more like an s to me.
Lamper, Hoather,Trangmar,Hide, Hollingdale, Sussex
Dinkele, Galer London
Pope, Beaven, Button, Somerset
Walker, Rochdale
Simcock, Cheshire/Staffs
Burrow, Goodwin, Worcester
Pound,Naish, Wilkey,  Bristol

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #43 on: Monday 19 December 16 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Timothy's surname is either Hort or ffort.  The first example is clearly an H.  The others are more ambiguous.  I hope Edward has checked for ffort anyway.

I agree 100% with the above.

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Re: Help needed with 2 surnames from a 1700 will
« Reply #44 on: Monday 19 December 16 14:54 GMT (UK) »
I don't often get involved with these queries but straight away I thought Timothy Host. The letter that you are reading as r looks far more like an s to me.

If you check the extracts provided you'll see that the writer formed the letter 's' in quite a different way  :)
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