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« Reply #45 on: Monday 05 December 16 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the tip. What is in his service record that suggests this?
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« Reply #46 on: Monday 05 December 16 18:19 GMT (UK) »
The second battle of El Alamein started on 23 October 1942, about two weeks later the Axis forces, both German and Italian started a full retreat. Often the Germans would leave the Italians behind.

Elements of the allied forces went L for leather after the axis army, collecting prisoners along the way. So examine what the records say for November and December 1942.

It says somewhere on his record that he was Lines of Communication supply.  RASC would be transporting the fuel.

Secondly, he may have embarked for Italy further west than Egypt
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« Reply #47 on: Monday 05 December 16 18:25 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks!
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« Reply #48 on: Monday 05 December 16 18:30 GMT (UK) »
I am very interested in this thread, as my dad was with the RASC in Alexandria for four years. He was further away from the front line than your man, he heard the artillery barrage at Alamein from 60 Kim's away
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« Reply #49 on: Monday 05 December 16 18:43 GMT (UK) »
It's an amazing history and I've already ordered the Archie Munro book.

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Love- Surrey, Middlesex;  Rhodes- Surrey; Freer/Frear- Cambridgeshire
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« Reply #50 on: Monday 05 December 16 19:19 GMT (UK) »
J The FACTS not the speculation are that:
He arrived in Egypt with 53 LAA Regiment (his record and the ORBAT documents) - there is no proof shown here that he was on the convoy mentioned.

He may have indeed entered other countries in North Africa with the units he was with then, 53 LAA then Base Depot, then the General Transport Coy then the Petrol Coy - only the war diaries of those units  or the diaries of the higher formations to which they belonged will tell you where they were and I challenge folk to prove what they were (not what they guess they were).  As I've said, the ORBATs don't list minor units.

In Italy 2nd or 28th August (earlier post)

In Italy with the Petrol Transport Company and then HQ RASC 13 Corps Troops (post 0720 this morning).

It says somewhere on his record that he was Lines of Communication supply.  RASC would be transporting the fuel.

Scouseboy - why don't you read the images properly.  The only mention in his record of Lines of Communication is in 1941 when he is England attached to 37 L of C Independent Brigade Company RASC in November 1941.  Almost all his service was spent in the L of C but that is not what you said.
 And to "examine the records for chasing prisoners for November and December" requires the war diaries which I and others have cited more than once.

J from Canada - I sincerely hope you can separate out the facts from the continual speculation here and recounting of the history of the North African campaign.   There any number of books on the campaign, my personal recommendation would be Alan Moorehead "The Desert War", any good bookshop will be able to suggest others.

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« Reply #51 on: Monday 05 December 16 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks MaxD for the clarification. I have lots of leads to pursue now and can't thank you enough for staying with me until the end!

I appreciate all the splendid assistance I have received from you and all the others on this thread.

Sincerely,

J from Canada
Loweth- Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire
German- Cambridgeshire; Gay- Middlesex, Suffolk, Norfolk;  Inwood- Middlesex
Maylard- Oxfordshire, Middlesex;  Seaton-Huntingdonshire; Bellamy- Northamptonshire, Leicestershire; Gale- Surrey; Brinkley- Cambridgeshire;
Love- Surrey, Middlesex;  Rhodes- Surrey; Freer/Frear- Cambridgeshire
Harmer- Surrey; Avery- Middlesex; Sturgeon- Middlesex
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« Reply #52 on: Monday 05 December 16 19:31 GMT (UK) »
MaxD,
I am at TNA tomorrow and will try and take a look at War Diary of 53 LAA reg. RA. to see if it reveals the name of a ship. It should then be fairly straight forward to trace her movements.
Just making sure I have the correct piece number.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1005702
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« Reply #53 on: Monday 05 December 16 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Gosh, that would be marvellous!

Many thanks (again)!
J
Loweth- Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire
German- Cambridgeshire; Gay- Middlesex, Suffolk, Norfolk;  Inwood- Middlesex
Maylard- Oxfordshire, Middlesex;  Seaton-Huntingdonshire; Bellamy- Northamptonshire, Leicestershire; Gale- Surrey; Brinkley- Cambridgeshire;
Love- Surrey, Middlesex;  Rhodes- Surrey; Freer/Frear- Cambridgeshire
Harmer- Surrey; Avery- Middlesex; Sturgeon- Middlesex
Payne- Northamptonshire, Lancashire; Screech- Devon; Pethick- Devon;