"Who Do You Think You Are" Series 13, Episode #1: Danny Dyer

[BushInn1746]

Hi

I was slightly wrong when I said sideways via sister of Tollemache to get to Cromwell.


Robert Gosnold was the son of Robert Gosnold and Anne Tollemache.

The program narrator then states that Anne Tollemache was Danny Dyer's 11 X Gt. Grandmother.

The next diagram shows Anne Tollemache to be the daughter of Lionel Tollemache.

Lionel Tollemache was married to Catherine Cromwell.


It has gone sideways at one of Dyer's Gt. Grandmothers to get to the Cromwell line, rather than an all male - male - male, descent route.

Mark

[anne_p]

I looked back.

The story started with Danny Dyers ggg grandparents :
Albert Buttivant and Ann Howcutt

Albert was the son of
Charles Buttivant and Hannah Wing
Charles was the son of
James Buttivant and Ann Gosnald (Switches to maternal line)
Ann Gosnold ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]was the daughter of [/color]
Charles Gosnold ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.] and Sarah French
Charles was the son of[/color]
Tendring Gosnold ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]and Ann Reynolds
Tendring was the son of [/color]
Walter Gosnold ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]and Elizabeth ( Unk)
Walter was the son of[/color]
Lionel Gosnold ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]and Rebecca Hardy
Lionel was the son of[/color]
Robert Gosnold V1 ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]and Dorothy Jegon
Robert V1 was the son of[/color]
ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]Robert V and Anne Tollemache [/color]( Switches to maternal line)
Anne was the daughter of
ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.]Lionel Tollemach and[color=blue[/color]] Catherine Cromwell[/color] ( Switches to maternal line)
Catherine was the daughter of
Lord Henry Cromwell and and Mary Paulet
Lord Henry was the son of
Gregory Cromwell and Elizabeth Seymour

Made a mess of highlight but, you get the drift!

[LizzieW]

It has gone sideways at one of Dyer's Gt Grandmothers to get to the Cromwell line, rather than an all male - male - male, descent route.

Mark - does that make it less of a link.  If it weren't for the females there would be no link at all, so in my eyes going through the female or male line still means he is directly related to Edward III.

[LizzieW]

What a shame all the publicity meant we were not as shocked as Danny Dyer was

That's why I deliberately didn't read any of the publicity, I wanted what they found to be new to me.

[jillruss]

I'm interested in the comment made earlier in this thread that 99% of us are probably related to Edward 3rd.

Those thoughts were running through my mind whilst watching - if you go back 22 generations (or however many it was) surely you'd have so many great grandparents that you could populate a modern city? I tried to do the maths but I'm no Carol Vorderman!!!    So is it really that unusual?

Believe it or believe it or not, but I've never come across Danny Dyer before (don't watch Eastenders as I like to leave my wrists unslit!) and I just couldn't make him out. Surely, he was taking the p--s and just redoing his Eastenders role? Do people really act like that these days? I think WDYTYA may have been the butt of a joke here!

Otherwise, it was quite interesting but I have to admit that my attention was diverted from the genealogy by his Del-boy antics. 

[Old Bristolian]

Hi

I was slightly wrong when I said sideways via sister of Tollemache to get to Cromwell.


Robert Gosnold was the son of Robert Gosnold and Anne Tollemache.

The program narrator then states that Anne Tollemache was Danny Dyer's 11 X Gt. Grandmother.

The next diagram shows Anne Tollemache to be the daughter of Lionel Tollemache.

Lionel Tollemache was married to Catherine Cromwell.


It has gone sideways at one of Dyer's Gt Grandmothers to get to the Cromwell line, rather than an all male - male - male, descent route.

Surely a line is direct whether through the male or female line. It would be a very old fashioned idea to think the female line "sideways" or indirect. I thought the program was quite clear about the direct line back to Cromwell, Edward III et al

Steve

Steve

[Romilly]

I thought it made for very interesting and enjoyable TV, - but I was disappointed that the DYER's weren't followed at all! They certainly didn't concentrate on the direct male lines, did they? It jumped about sideways a lot, - but I do this too when I get stuck...

I assume that the professional researchers on the programme just look until they find a name of interest, - and then just persue that line?

Romilly.

[TheNineteenth]

Jillruss, the maths are that you have 8 Great Grandparents. (mine are born in late 1800s)
They have 64 Great Grandparents (late 1700s)
They have 512 Great Grandparents (very late 1600s)
They have 4,000 Great Grandparents (early 1600s)
THey have 33,000 Great Grandparents (late 1400s)
They have just over a quarter of a million Great Grandparents (late 1300s)
They have just over two million Great Grandparents (c1300 for me).

So yes, by the time you get that far back, you have more ancestors than were alive in this country at that time. Boom!

[groom]

It has gone sideways at one of Dyer's Gt Grandmothers to get to the Cromwell line, rather than an all male - male - male, descent route.

Why is the male line considered the direct line, surely that is the side of the family where you can't be 100% sure? You can be fairly sure of the mother but the father may or may not be right!