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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 November 16 01:59 GMT (UK) »

I know this isn't going to answer your question immediately, but I sometimes find it helps to back track where people were physically in their lives.

So, for example, the newspaper report on the incident (robbery of silver coin and a gold seal from Thomas Ellis by three men - one being Charles) which led to Charles Moss' conviction has the location as in Kirkgate near White Swan Inn, Call-lane in Leeds. This occurred on 10 May 1831.

The newspaper report for Sarah's incident: convicted of stealing a roll of black ribbon from the shop of Mr. Bennington Wakefield. (Newspaper report: Leeds Intelligencer 12 January 1832)

So they were hanging around the Leeds, Yorkshire district at this time.

Before that, they apparently baptised Levi in Nottingham in 1830.

I notice a conviction for a Charles and Sarah Moss in Nottingham for "uttering counterfeit coin" in July 1829 in Nottingham. They were sentenced to imprisonment for 12 months and sureties. Ostensibly, this couldn't be your Charles and Sarah if they baptised Levi in March 1830 since they should be in prison. But I was wondering if Levi was born while Sarah was in prison and the prison authorities arranged for the baptism?

Interestingly, two other people were also listed next to them for the same offence and received the same punishment - Sarah and Elizabeth Johnson. However, it is not clear if it was the same incident and I cannot find a newspaper account to clarify. There are plenty of examples of this kind of crime being committed so it may be a coincidence. However, if they were involved in the same incident, they may be friends or relations and might give you a further clue.

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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 November 16 04:29 GMT (UK) »
hsfam
I have "Leeds Intelligencer 12/11/1832 and 22/031832 newspaper clippings re  the Wakefield roll of Black ribbon and transportation news and Yorkshire Gazette re transportation. Also one re Pontefract QS 1832 Charles and Sarah Moss of Liverpool charged with stealing a piece of print property of Messrs Ullathorne and Routledge. Acquitted. I have not seen the I know nothing of the Nottingham 1829 coin utterance w. 12 months sentence, could she also be let out early to have the child or Charles parents arrange the baptism, as Sarah had already a child I assume someone else must have been looking after this child. Sarah does mention an earlier offence on her convict report.
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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 November 16 21:54 GMT (UK) »
I don't know for sure what they did with pregnant women in prison, but I suspect they don't let them out early. More likely she would have to give them over to someone else to care for - whether family, friend or institution - until she was released from prison.

I found the uttering counterfeit coin conviction records on FindMyPast.

I've been rummaging around like crazy trying all kinds of sites and combinations of names etc, but the only thing I've come up with is that Thomas Moss born 12/11/1799 to William and Maria Moss had a sister:

Name: Ann Moss
Born: 12 November 1799
Baptised: 7 December 1799
Place: Lane Independent, Holmfirth, York, England
Parents: William and Maria Moss
Residence: Green House
Parish: Kirkburton

I also checked Thomas' original baptism record on Anc. and it also states:
Residence: Green House
Parish: Kirkburton

I often find it helps researching collateral lines. For example, I managed to figure out a mother's maiden name by working out a 2nd cousin relationship for her grandson and working backwards. I've also found wills of aunts and uncles helpful. So, if you can follow Ann, you may find extra information to help flesh out the tree a bit.

You've got your work cut out for you on this one! Sorry I couldn't find more. If I do, I'll post it.

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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 November 16 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your efforts hsfam that Thomas did have a sister Ann and I will spend some time looking for her as you suggest.
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Kenneth
Webb, Beenham & Bucklebury, Berkshire
Gray, Spice,Ellis, Wood ,Bone/Bones Hawkhurst, Kent
Eastwood,  Leaney, Ticehurst, Burwash, Relf, Brightling Sussex
Pilkington, Hewitt, Rands, Kelly, Mason Tasmania
Walker , Rothwell
Goltz - Stettin East Prussia,  Dowey, Ballyloughan, Armagh
Bell Caygill Yorkshire/Tasmania


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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 November 16 03:22 GMT (UK) »
Oh Gosh!  The dates for Ann should be:

Birth: 4 November 1797
Baptism: 9 December 1797

Sorry about that. I was looking at Thomas instead of Ann. The details are almost exactly the same.

And I was trying to be so careful, too.  :-[

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Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 November 16 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Not to worry already had them noted, and did not realise your typo
Webb, Beenham & Bucklebury, Berkshire
Gray, Spice,Ellis, Wood ,Bone/Bones Hawkhurst, Kent
Eastwood,  Leaney, Ticehurst, Burwash, Relf, Brightling Sussex
Pilkington, Hewitt, Rands, Kelly, Mason Tasmania
Walker , Rothwell
Goltz - Stettin East Prussia,  Dowey, Ballyloughan, Armagh
Bell Caygill Yorkshire/Tasmania