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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes, it is a brother to Thomas, and yes most of the family was in Elgin county, East Yarmouth, St. Thomas Ontario.  Thomas and Jane are buried there.  William had already immigrated to the US by that date.  We can't find when they arrived in Canada.  Thank you again for your assistance and any further information.

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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 09:15 GMT (UK) »
The problem with Peter Allan and Catherine McBeath is trying to find them on census forms ? providing they were still living ...You most probably have this the death for Margaret Mitchell 12 November 1921 Detroit Wayne Michigan age 91 ( wife of Robert ) has her birth as August 1830 ..
Father Duncan Mitchell mother Christina Leitch

Immigation record for Margaret Mitchell arrival Canada 1831 family members Christina Leitch Duncan Mitchell..children Peter,Catherine ,Sarah ..would this be the right family
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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry have Thomas and Jane on the 1871 and 1881 censuses:

1871 Address - 7, Lylesland, Abbey Burgh, Renfrewshire.
Thomas Allan 49, born Montalk, Perthshire, starch maker
Jane Allan 47, Denny, Stirlingshire
John 21 Campsie, Thomas (no age) Campsie, James 27 Paisley, Janet 14 Paisley, William 12 Neilston, Alex 9 Paisley, David 6 Paisley, Jane 3 Paisley

1881 Address - not given
Thomas Allan 59, born Kincardine Perthshire, starchwork worker
Jane 55 Denny, Alexander 18, David 16, Jane 13

Thomas, Jane and family are on the 1891 Canadian Census so emigrated sometime between the two censuses.  Not seeing William on any 1881 census so far.

Scotlands People have Thomas's baptism:
Allan Thomas - Peter Allan & Kath. McBeath - 22.10.1821 - parish Kincardine.
Only one other child appears on SP and Family Search for those parents:  the James born Tibbermore 7.12.1823

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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 11:59 GMT (UK) »

1871 Address - 7, Lylesland, Abbey Burgh, Renfrewshire.
Thomas Allan 49, born Montalk, Perthshire, starch maker

I think a look at the original for this would be an idea as I can't think of a place close to the spelling of "Montalk" (not to say it didn't exist)!

I have written a list of place names I know of to try & fathom what it's close to & best I can come up with is Milnathort?

Annie

Others off the top of my head beginning 'M' although they don't look like a near fit

Methven 
Murthly
Madderty
Muthill
Monzie/Monzievaird
Meigle 
Meikleour
Muirtoun/Muirton

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 15:21 GMT (UK) »
This looks like William in the 1881 census at St Thomas Elgin East Ontario
Thomas Allen age 30 ( engineer )born about 1851 Scotland
Martha Allen age 31 born England
Emanuel 7,Jane 3, Thomas 2,
James Allen age 27 b Scotland ( shoemaker ) same occupation as 1871 census Scotland
William Allen age 22 b Scotland about 1859 (ship plater )

Marriage for Thomas Allen 6/4/1877 St Thomas Elgin age 25 father Thomas mother Jane
Spouse Martha Dyer age 27 father William mother Emma ?
Witnesses Joseph Currie and James Allan ..
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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Record for James Allan age 23 occupation shoemaker and a wife can't make the name out
Port of Departure Ireland Glasgow Scotland
Arrival 25 August 1872 Quebec Canada ship St David
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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou to everyone for all of your help. I am so thankful to all of you for this great information

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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 23 November 16 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou to everyone for all of your help. I am so thankful to all of you for this great information

Your welcome  :)
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Re: Allan surname in Stirling/Perth/Kincardine/Neilston/Refrew
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 24 November 16 09:53 GMT (UK) »

1871 Address - 7, Lylesland, Abbey Burgh, Renfrewshire.
Thomas Allan 49, born Montalk, Perthshire, starch maker

I think a look at the original for this would be an idea as I can't think of a place close to the spelling of "Montalk" (not to say it didn't exist)!



I did wonder if it could be Menteith. I can see poor writing making that seem like Montalk!  Port of Menteith is the neighbouring parish to Kincardine.  I agree that seeing the original is the only way of sorting that one out.