Can you help me decipher this name (scan of Marriage cert.)

[peterb]

Have you considered the name Tolmer. South Aust had a famous policeman by that name during the years of the victorian goldrush.

PeterB

[redcrystal]

Most definalty are replies are appreciated!  Because I have no idea
In my above post, with the capitals... The T looks really different. I definatly think the second letter is a O.

This is what the above scan with all the capitals says
"James Boyd , Painter ; Isabella Brown ; Huge Tracey, Famer"

John was born in Bristol England aprox 1831. I have searched the BDM Aus because I have an idea when he died, but none of those has John and Mary/May listed as parents

[JAP]

Liz,

I can find out lots of things - but not yet anything to determine Mary's surname!  Though I'm still going for PALMER ...

A Google finds that George BRASSINGTON married Susanna DAVIS on 13 Nov 1837 in South Australia.

And I find that John WILLIAMS married Caroline Esther BRASINGTON (indexed with that spelling) in Victoria in 1854.

And I know that Reid's Creek was a rich goldfield in NE Victoria near Beechworth.

The IGI has a John WILLIAMS marrying a Mary PALMER in Shoreditch, London in 1836 - a bit late for John's parents if he was b 1831 ...

I'm still trying ...

JAP
PS: was Mr George BRASSINGTON the Hatter!
PPS: I tried TOLMER too but didn't come up with anything ...

[PrueM]

Here are my ideas:

Names:  I think Mary's surname is definitely ?OLMER.  I wondered about the "O", because the other o's in the scans you've sent do vary, but it's not an a or an e, so O is the only alternative.  As for the first letter, the closest match I can see is an "S", but I've never heard the name SOLMER...then again, I've not heard of TOLMER, and PeterB has, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility!!!

Occupations:  The one above "Miner" is "Hatter".  The other one, ? Reed's Creek, looks like "Sert" or "servt", short for Servant as KathyM suggested. 


Hope that helps a bit! 

Prue

[JAP]

Prue,

TOLMER is definitely a name.  In fact, I am surprised (having just done a surname search in the IGI) how rare it is!  I guess that comes from being Australian and knowing about the rather famous gold escorting policeman, Alexander TOLMER, mentioned by peterb!  There are a number of topographical locations named after him in Australia.  Anyway, I've just Googled a bit more and I learn that he was born in London in 1815 of French parents.  One always learns something on RootsChat!

JAP

[PrueM]

Hi JAP, coming from the more northerly part of Oz (Qld) I haven't got the goldfields knowledge that you obviously do!     Us poor northerners only had tin scratchings to work with....

Prue 

[redcrystal]

I think that it looks like an J or I but that isn't possible Jolmer/Iolmer.
As for John's Birth by the marriage cert on 26.12.1854 say's 32 which would make him born in 1822. But for his daughters birth Cert, it has  age 37 this was dated 26.2.1858 so that makes it 1821. Mind you on this cert. It says they were married in 1856 when I know because of the marriage cert that they were married in 1854.
Also I don't know if this helps but it says that he was a Licensed Victualler.
It is strange with the second letter.  because in none of the other O's on the page is there one that has the middle crossed through, they are all at the top, but yet on all the A's they are perfect A's.
I think I need to invest in a time machine.
Thank you all for you help and idears.
Liz

[JAP]

Hi again Liz,

If that's a 'P' you showed us (you said it was the start of Painter) then I think that's got quite a lot in common with the initial letter of Mary's surname (given that the scribe seems to form his letters differently at each occurrence).  And more similarities than with his 'S', 'T', 'F, 'I' or 'J''.

As for his 'o's - well!  Compare the 'o' in John (flies off from the top into outer space), the 'o' in George (more like an 'e'), the 'o' in Boyd and the 'o' in Brown - none is like the first vowel in Mary's surname.  Then take a look at his variable 'a's - the 'a's in Williams (first occurrence), Mary and Brasington (all more like a 'u's) compared with the perfect closed 'a's in Susanna, Williams (second occurrence), James. Isabella, Tracey, Pai(nter), Fa(rmer) - again none like the first vowel in Mary's surname.

Unfortunately, this scribe couldn't be consistent if he tried!

Of course, when I turn out to be quite wrong, I'll be ready with the peanut to push round the room with my nose ...

Incidentally, I'm still puzzling over the word before Reid's Creek - why would anyone stay a servant when there was a ton of gold to be won!  And is his actual occupation (you mention Licensed Victualler) elsewhere on the cert?

Cheers,

JAP
PS: Prue, would you believe that Google says there's a Tolmer Place in Springwood, Q.  Wonder what that's named after

[JAP]

From:
http://www.tourisminternet.com.au/bwwalk3.htm

"5        REID'S CREEK GOLDFIELD
This area was the scene of much activity during the 1850's. In 1853 there were 8000 miners on the Reid's Creek field and the original settlement was just upstream from here. It had a post office, stores and police camp. Reids Creek was the scene of several riots, when disputes arose over the ownership of claims. At the time there was no proper legislation to ensure fair and orderly granting of claims.

William Howitt, an English Author wrote of Reids Creek in 1853:
'for nearly two miles, a wide valley is completely covered by tents and the soil turned upside down by diggers. A more rowdy and uninviting scene I never saw..... all the trees were cut down; the ground where it was not actually dug up was eaten perfectly bare by lean horses... more shabbiness and apparent wretchedness it would be dificult to concieve.

Reids Creek has the character of being a disorderly and dangerous place. There have been no less than fifteen murders  committed at it...'

The miners, or diggers as they wore called formed themselves into two groups; the Punchers and the Monkeys. The punchers worked the dry banks and gullies and generally wore moleskins. The monkeys worked the stream and considered themselves superior. Those who had struck it rich wore black woollen trousers and Napoleon boots, and sported silk sashes and gaily coloured kerchiefs."