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Re: Searching the new GRO indexes - share your tips!
« Reply #63 on: Friday 18 November 16 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Searching by MMN can be a bit hit-and-miss.  A side-branch of my tree includes a Ford who married a Nosworthy (yes, in Devon).  They had the regulation eleven children between 1835 and 1856.  Of the nine who were registered, three had their MMN entered (or at least indexed) as Norsworthy, Bosworthy and Noseworthy.  In the absence of a wildcard search one is forced to try something else.

I've had most success when I leave out the MMN altogether - if you're searching for a rare surname and/or the family stay in the same area it's fairly sraightforward. Obviously it's much trickier with common surnames.
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« Reply #64 on: Friday 18 November 16 17:58 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if they send them out on Saturdays, heres hoping to receiving them tomorrow,

They were arriving last Saturday & Sunday  ;D ;D
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« Reply #65 on: Friday 18 November 16 22:52 GMT (UK) »
The last time the GRO were most probably this busy was when the fee went up from £7 to £9.25, they were swamped with orders almost immediately on top of what they know is a normal days takings.

With this being a new system and there have been wrinkles to iron out, as disappointing as it is, might I suggest you only contact them when the order is overdue by 5 working days, which is the case if you were ordering a paper cert.
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« Reply #66 on: Friday 18 November 16 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Don't forget that there will also be a surge when Who do you think you are starts next Thursday too.

Expect the despatch times to increase then too,it usually does.
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« Reply #67 on: Saturday 19 November 16 11:32 GMT (UK) »

At the risk of being clapped in irons for heresy, I do feel the GRO have made a rod for their own back with the approach they have adopted. Guy's disbelieving comments on the method apparently being adopted for the pdf production should be noted and acted on by GRO management. It appears the only difference in the new trial system is the 'produced' image is being emailed rather than put in an envelope and posted.

The system needs to be far more automated, which in turn would allow the cost per event to be far lower. This doesn't need to be seen as a 'threat' to the GRO or employee jobs as volumes of more expensive certificates could also be increased.

The fundamental 'block' is that the data on the certificates, however old, is something regarded with a level of secrecy which requires an application and a process to produce a 'certificate'. This runs counter to the aims of open government and self-service being promoted by the current government.

I feel society would be much better served if the GRO concentrated their efforts on protecting the privacy of people still alive and combatting fraudulent use of GRO records where the possibility of fraud exists.

For example, the information on a death certificate from say 1860 has no value to fraudsters and has no privacy implications, unless someone today is concerned their ...g-grandparent died from a socially embarrassing cause. Much of the information on marriage and birth certificates is also freely available (some of it online) from parish registers.

So there is an argument that such historic data should be freely available (possibly with a small charge) rather than requiring the current bureaucratic system of control and production. Having found the death of John Smith in 1860 in the online index, why shouldn't I be able to click through to the original certificate image to see the details?

That would free up GRO staff time to produce paper certificates more promptly, and perhaps to do a far greater level of checking on the bona fides of applications for more recent information where the purpose may potentially be fraudulent.

As an example of the problems the current secrecy causes, yesterday I think I found another page of missing records. I cannot check the original images and 'solve' the problem myself, all I could do is to report it to the GRO. That will mean the GRO will be employing someone to check the originals and work out what is wrong - even though that task will not lead to any financial income.

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« Reply #68 on: Saturday 19 November 16 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Don't forget that there will also be a surge when Who do you think you are starts next Thursday too.

Expect the despatch times to increase then too,it usually does.

Just put in another order..... estimated despatch date 28 November.....
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
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« Reply #69 on: Saturday 19 November 16 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Like many others I have found the new GRO indexes invaluable, though so far I have not ordered any PDF certificates. If I got a PDF certificate and printed it would it look any different from a GRO paper certificate? If yes, then in what way would it be different? If no, then why would anyone pay extra for a paper certificate?
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« Reply #70 on: Saturday 19 November 16 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Like many others I have found the new GRO indexes invaluable, though so far I have not ordered any PDF certificates. If I got a PDF certificate and printed it would it look any different from a GRO paper certificate? If yes, then in what way would it be different?

Guy summarized it here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759178.msg6104054#msg6104054
No the uncertified PDF image is the same as the centre part of a paper ceritificate (i.e. the part that used to be surrounded by a red line forming a box).

The top section (above the box) on the paper image is not reproduced and the bottom section is not reproduced.
The reason these two sections are not copied to the uncertified PDF images is that they both confirm it being a certified copy which of course the PDF is not.

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« Reply #71 on: Saturday 19 November 16 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Like many others I have found the new GRO indexes invaluable, though so far I have not ordered any PDF certificates. If I got a PDF certificate and printed it would it look any different from a GRO paper certificate? If yes, then in what way would it be different?

Guy summarized it here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759178.msg6104054#msg6104054
No the uncertified PDF image is the same as the centre part of a paper ceritificate (i.e. the part that used to be surrounded by a red line forming a box).

The top section (above the box) on the paper image is not reproduced and the bottom section is not reproduced.
The reason these two sections are not copied to the uncertified PDF images is that they both confirm it being a certified copy which of course the PDF is not.



Thank you JenB for your reply pointing me to Guy Etchell's earlier answer which I obviously missed. It would appear that the new PDF certificates would satisfy most family historians, so let's hope that the GRO make it a permanent facility after the trial has finished.
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