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Re: I'm now a very happy bunny!
« Reply #27 on: Friday 18 November 16 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Oh yes of course, silly me, I'd forgotten it was births and deaths only.  Presumably marriages will follow in due course.
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Re: I'm now a very happy bunny!
« Reply #28 on: Friday 18 November 16 18:51 GMT (UK) »
Unless I've missed something, only Births and Deaths available as PDFs currently.

Guys links from a couple of posts ago show what you get  :)

I wonder, does it?

If you read what the GRO tell us about Pilot phase 1-

“Pilot phase 1 (approx. three week duration)
PDF copies of those civil registration records that are held by GRO in a digital format (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 - 1934 and death entries recorded 1837 - 1957, in addition to those much more recent events captured electronically at point of registration, which include birth and death records registered 2007 onwards, civil partnership records registered December 2005 onwards, and marriages registered 2011 onwards). These PDFs will cost £6.”

It does mention civil partnership records registered December 2005 onwards, and marriages registered 2011 onwards.

Now I assume to get those records we would have to visit one of the 7 sites that hold the indexes, though I am not sure how up to date these are.
Search the index for the reference number of the entry and order using that reference number.

The 7 sites are-

Birmingham Central Library
Bridgend Reference and Information Library
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Manchester City Library
Newcastle City Library
Plymouth Central Library
The British Library

Having said that the GRO were saying that the only uncertified copies would be from the Historic registers so it seems one hand does not know what the other hand is doing.

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Re: I'm now a very happy bunny!
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 19 November 16 13:34 GMT (UK) »
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Do I take it that if you order a pdf marriage cert you will still see the signatures of the bride and groom plus witnesses?

Technically that would be the bottom half of the cert and I'm getting the impression that the pdf doesn't come with the bottom half.

This is applicable to births deaths & marriages: The certs ordered from the GRO are from the Master books as such they are written transcriptions of the Local Register Book. To see any ancestors signatures for real need to order a cert from the Local original registration book and District

Just found SlowGin has written the similar here Reply 149 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759016.144
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One aspect to consider is whether the local Register Office supplies copies of the original, rather than a transcription.  Where they do, it can be valuable to have the actual signatures of the people (assuming they signed rather than made a mark).   Also less risk of transcription errors.  What you get from the GRO is a transcription made soon after the event, as they don't have access to the original registers.  For this reason I've obtained most of my certs from local offices rather than the GRO.

I have ancestors from Northern Ireland and the images supplied from GRONI are the Local ones so show real signatures of bride, groom & witnesses on Marriages, but also on Births and Deaths, though many I (payed to) view were signed X mark.
In Sept the Dublin GRO released images of their GRO books for free including Northern Ireland up to partition 1922. These are all from the Master GRO book so same as we get on English paper copy or uncertified pdf. They supply the entire page as a pdf not just the entry line. Note the signed verification proceedure at the bottom of every page and the signed corrections which may occur when the transcription checks are done.
Marriages from the Dublin GRO are again transcribed copies but the copy is made by the Church Minister 4 to a page, not made by the GRO Register. If want to see the signatures for real also have the option of the Parish images if online, which are identical to the GRO's. In fact just yesterday when looking at Oxfordshire Parish entries I saw the actual book had been supplied to the church by the GRO, they must have distributed a lot of books in 1837.

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Re: I'm now a very happy bunny!
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 19 November 16 13:46 GMT (UK) »
Just to add to that.  There is an alternative source for marriage entries (if it was a church marriage), and that is the parish register which will usually now be at the county archives.  Two copies of the entry will have been written out and signed at the ceremony, one for the registrar and one for the church. 

So you can have a copy of the original, with signatures, for the price of a photocopy if you can get to the appropriate archive.  Some archives will send you a copy for a small charge if you can provide enough detail for the marriage to be found quickly (date, church).

And of course some parish register images are on sites like Ancestry.

I remember being really puzzled by the first marriage cert I ordered from the GRO.  It looked like an original document of the time as regards the style of writing, but all the signatures were in the same writing!  It was a while before I learned that they were hand-written copies.
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Re: I'm now a very happy bunny!
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 19 November 16 14:39 GMT (UK) »
On the earlier image the GRO Register got the birth entry re-transcription wrong twice, but was corrected during the checks. However, despite the double verification checks errors still made their way into the indexes and some were subsequently corrected likely when people asked for a copy and found them wrong.
For example a birth entry entry for 1878 was corrected in 1939. Sometimes the entire line entry was superceeded by an update as indicated in the margin annotation in the second attachment. [it reads Clerical error, corrected by Register in the presence of the mother, see New Certified Copy]