Jane Miller b.1839 North Newcastle - any BMD?

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Hello

I'm searching for birth records for Jane MILLER/MILLAR, most likely in Northumberland.

I have a 1861 census record of 21 year old Jane in Westgate, Newcastle with her 2/3 year old son Henry, where her place of birth is Westmoor.

I have Henry's birth cert, showing birth in the Tynemouth Workhouse in June 1858 with Jane as a single mother.

Following marriage to Thomas McLaughlin in 1867 - her father as William Miller, labourer - she appears as head/married, occ Charwoman in 1871 census with 12 yr Henry in St. Andrews Newcastle.  Place of birth as Camperdown - again near Westmoor.

Camperdown is again named as place of birth in 1881 so seems to be clear on that.

However, I can find no BMD for Jane MILLER/MILLAR that would link to 1839.

I have found a christening of Jane Miller on 25 Feb 1839 in Newcastle with father William Miller, mother Rose Miller (Donohough).
No idea of church, though from census info both were born in Ireland and seem to have relocated to north east in late 1830s.

Does anyone have any further info/ideas that could help with BMD birth info?

Thanks


 


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[Tickettyboo]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7PB-F3X

That is a link to the Baptism record transcription on Family Search.

It says that the information was transcribed from Film no 1936956

Go to Search (at the top of that page) then choose to search the Catalog

Click on Film/Fiche Number and put in 1936956.

That then tells you it was St Andrews RC Church, Newcastle upon Tyne.

Boo

[Jebber]

In the early days of civil registration quite a lot of births went unregistered.  Until 1875 it was the responsibility of the registrar to go out and record the births, after that date the onus was on the parents, with a fine if they failed to do so within 42 days.

I have several families whose births were not registered in those early years.

Jebber

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Thanks Boo - never knew you could track church that way.  I'm hoping St. Andrews parish records will have full records esp if there is no registration as Jenner helpfully advises.

I'm looking at William/Rose (Rosanna) as potential parents of Jane.
By 1851 census they have more children in addition to those born in Ireland.  However there is no Jane, just a gap frustratingly.
Does this mean the christened Jane has died by then or that she is with other family?

Thanks again for your help.

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks Boo - never knew you could track church that way.  I'm hoping St. Andrews parish records will have full records esp if there is no registration as Jenner helpfully advises.

I'm looking at William/Rose (Rosanna) as potential parents of Jane.
By 1851 census they have more children in addition to those born in Ireland.  However there is no Jane, just a gap frustratingly.
Does this mean the christened Jane has died by then or that she is with other family?

Pleased the info about Film numbers is of use. I find that info on 'how' and 'where' to search is just as valuable as someone giving you a result. Because of distance, my visits to the archives in the North East are few and very far between so I have tried to find out as much as I can about how to ascertain which church etc prior to going, every minute at the archives has to count for me :-)

As for where 'that' Jane (who may or may not be yours) was in 1851 there are lots of possibilities.
She could have died, many babies were born and died too soon way back when. I searched FreeBMD for deaths of Jane Miller (an variations) Mar Q 1839 to Dec Q 1851 in Northumberland which should encompass the right time frame and the currently most likely county. It brought up 9 results which I then checked those against the GRO new search which gives ages at death (last col below)

Jun   1839   MILLER   Jane   Newcastle on Tyne   40
               
Sep   1839   Miller   Jane   Newcastle On Tyne   7
               
Jun   1842   Millar   Jane   Morpeth   81
               
Sep   1844   MILLER   Jane   Newcastle T   15
               
Jun   1845   MILLER   Jane   Newcastle Tyne   29
               
Dec   1848   Miller   Jane   Belford   2
               
Mar   1849   Miller   Jane   Alnwick   83
               
Dec   1850   MILLER   Jane   Tynemouth   29
               
Dec   1850   MILLER   Jane   Newcastle T   10

The only one I can see as a 'possible' for the Jane baptised in 1839 is the final one in 1850. If you get to TWAS and are able to look at the St Andrews RC Registers for baptisms it may be worth checking to see if there was a funeral/burial recorded in late 1850 which might help to shed some light on it. If the family were in another country in 1851 you could repeat the procedure to see if there are any possibles for that county.

Or, she was about 12 in 1851, she could be working 'in service' (children a lot younger than that often did) and therefore not in the family home.
Have you found any possible entries for her in 1851? Do you have this family in the 1841 census?

Other thoughts are that 'your' Jane had her son Henry baptised at Christ Church, Tynemouth/North Shields which is an Anglican Church not RC. That too could be explained if the RC priest had given her lots of grief over being an unmarried mother, she may have decided that she would have her son baptised but not as Catholic or, as he was born in the workhouse, they may have insisted he was baptised and she just let them organise it kind of thing. So many possibilities.

Sorry I have nothing concrete to offer but the above may give you something to think about till someone else comes along and provides a better answer :-)

Good luck with it!

Boo

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Thank you Boo for taking all that trouble to search and list.
It helps to turn the cogs in my brain! - and again I never knew about the new gro indexing.

I think I can rule out the Irish William/Rosanna line - unfortunately so, as my great grandfather fought in the First World War in the Tyneside Irish and that tied in somewhat.

I read on forums/fora? about the gro index and they had identified an error where in some cases the indexing put a child's age in years at death when actually it should have been months.

This set me thinking that maybe the Jane Miller recorded dying Sept 1839 was 7 months rather than 7 years.  A search on Family search confirms this in that a Jane Miller was buried at St Andrews on 15 Sep age 0 yrs.  That might explain why she is the only child the family christened as her health might not have been good at birth, and explains the gaps in the family children from 1838 to 1842.

So that takes me back to square one! Birth in Westmoor/Camperdown without a bmd - any likely parish records there?
Likely that I need to focus on north Newcastle area and Tynemouth for the Millers until 1860s when she moves from the workhouse to central Newcastle.

[WolfieSmith]

In 1871 Jane says she's 34, so maybe looking for a slightly older Jane.

This is one possibility.

A baptism at Ncle All Saints, 8 Oct 1836. Jane Miller, parents William Miller (Pitman) and Ann, of Wide-open.

A marriage at Ncle All Saints, 12 Dec 1835, William Miller and Ann Surtees, both otp, one of the witnesses is an Alan Miller.

1841 census, Hazlerigg, Weetslade,
William Miller, 25, Coal Miner, b. Scotland,
Allan Miller, 20, Coal Miner, b. Scotland,
Jane Miller, 5, Y,
George Reavely, 20, Coal Miner, Y,
Ellen Reavely, 25, b. Scotland,
John Reavely, 2 mo, Y,
Allan Reavely, 7, b. Scotland,
Ellen Surtis, 11, N,
HO107/822/6/28/14 

This area appears to become Camperdown. On later census, John Reavely b. 1840 gives his place of birth as Camperdown.

Some trees on Ancestry have this family. Ellen Reavely is the sister of William and Allan Miller. Ellen Surtis is the daughter of Williams deceased wife Ann Surtees. William remarries to an Isabella, also born Scotland, and goes on to have further children, but Jane disappears after 1841.

Alan.

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Thanks for that, Alan.  Enlightening!

It's all slowly piecing together.

Elsewhere I have been working backwards through the Miller line as far as Jane Miller, and had reached a standstill, when she gave birth to Henry in the Workhouse in 1858 with no father named.
I now have her in 1861, 71 and 81 census but no sign of her in 1851 as far as I recall.  That would be interesting - she may be in service I guess or maybe I've overlooked her somewhere.

William Miller was named as her father on her later marriage cert and now I have this latest info of Miller family moving from Scotland with Camperdown as a first base in the north east.  This all seems to fit together and so I feel I've finally got somewhere! I think William Miller is elusive in 1851 as well so maybe that will be he key find as he and Jane might be together somewhere?

An interesting twist - I've ordered birth and marriage certificates to confirm - is that Jane seems to have married a Thomas Bates in Christ Church, Tynemouth in 1855 had a son Thomas, who died aged 4. She then had Henry Miller in 1858 in the workhouse. Not sure how long she was in the workhouse before appearing in Newcastle in 1861, what happened to Thomas Bates Sr. or whether their son lived in the workhouse with Jane and Henry or was somewhere with his father.

I know there are some Tynemouth Union Workhouse documents in various Archives but not sure if they would shed any light on this.

And of course... who is the father of Henry Miller, if not her husband Thomas Bates??

[WolfieSmith]

This will be them in 1891.

176 Cuthbert St., Hebburn,
Thomas McLaglan, 54, General Labourer, b. Newcastle,
Jane McLaglan, 52, b. Camperdown, Northumberland,
plus boarders
RG12/4169/81/30

Alan.