Missing Ancestor's Birth

[heywood]

Blakey Hartley married Betty Brown 31st August 1822, St Bartholomew's, Colne.

Lancashire OPC http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

[BumbleB]

Blakey Hartley married Betty Brown 31st August 1822, St Bartholomew's, Colne.

Lancashire OPC http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Sorry, I'm being negative again    If you look at the original image for the 1851 census return for Blakey, Betty and Thomas you will see that Thomas is shown as "Un" rather than "Son" in the transcription.

[heywood]

Blakey Hartley married Betty Brown 31st August 1822, St Bartholomew's, Colne.

Lancashire OPC http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Sorry, I'm being negative again    If you look at the original image for the 1851 census return for Blakey, Betty and Thomas you will see that Thomas is shown as "Un" rather than "Son" in the transcription.

You are not being negative - we are trying to solve the same conundrum.
If you look at my reply 6, I have posted this information already.
By quoting the marriage I was attempting to disprove the connection between the Hartleys and Thomas Abbott.

[heywood]

To confuse the issues re places even more:

There is a baptism at St Peter's Burnley 9th January 1820
Olive Abbott to John and Alice but the abode is shown as Hunslet Fold, parish of Leeds - which then moves nearer to Wakefield 
That Joseph is a cloth-dresser.

We really need to know which Abbott person is your ancestor, Bram. None of these may be relevant until that is known.

Heywood

[BumbleB]

Burials at All Saints, Wakefield:

Joseph - son of George - 13 October 1787 (already noted)
George - son of George - 8 November 1785
Hannah - wife of George - 24 September 1784

Marriage at All Saints, Dewsbury:

George Abbott of the parish of Wakefield, Staymaker and bachelor and Hannah Wilby (x) spinster otp by Banns - 3 February 1779.

[Bram Taylor]

Is there any way I can attach a short family tree to my message? Two pages made in Ancestry. It would make things much more easy to see. It is the direct path from my uncle to joseph and it is complicated because I have two paths to Joseph as my cousin and uncle are Abbotts of course but also, my maternal grandfather married an Abbott relative before he married my maternal grandmother, I told you it was complicated!!
Bram,

[BumbleB]

I've no idea, but try it.  When you open the reply box, underneath the box itself, there is "Attachments and other options"  Hit that and you have the option to choose your file and attach it.

Give it a go 

[heywood]

I just saw the marriage of Thomas Abbott to Rachel Atkinson - father Blakey Hartley.
Confusing isn't it   

[Bram Taylor]

Hi all and thanks for all the hard yards put in - I'm a bit overwhelmed but to take one point first, in the 1851 Census attached it shows Thomas as 'Un', not as assumed, 'Son'. Thanks Heywood, well spotted! Strangely, in the 1860 Census Thomas, still a Tailor has named his Son Blakey Hartley Abbott which implies there was some sort of affection shown here by Thomas for his former companions in the 1851?
That will help to answer your last (today) email, there was a deep bond of some sort?

Bram