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Would You clean off a Gravestone to see the name behind ??

Yes Full stop !
16 (16.5%)
Yes to the point i could read the info
62 (63.9%)
No not at all
5 (5.2%)
Clean it completely ?
6 (6.2%)
Other !
8 (8.2%)

Total Members Voted: 95

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Offline Nick Carver

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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 25 July 05 11:00 BST (UK) »
I think one must draw the distinction between taking a casual look at a gravestone and recording the details. Those projects recording MIs depend upon the  gravestones being read and a soft brush, soap and water is often used for the purpose. If a grave is currently illegible and in 50 years would be totally illegible (regardless of whether or not it was possible to clean), then I would argue that it is more important that the details be recorded for posterity, than observing any perceived niceties.

On another angle, it depends on who the headstone belongs to. As an example, I have only just discovered the location of my grandfather's grave (he died nearly 20 years before I was born). When I get the chance to visit, I will definitely clean it if it is required and as the oldest surviving male relative, would defend my right to do so. But, I know the exact location of his grave. In the case of people 'browsing', I think they can remove vegetation, but they should otherwise leave well alone.
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell

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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 July 05 17:08 BST (UK) »
I voted No. 2, but I would only clean a headstone if I was pretty certain it was 'one of mine' and needed to be able to read the inscription for confirmation.

Jill
Jowett & Broadbent in Leeds.
Perry, Hartshorn/e & Wilkes in Birmingham & Dudley. Walker and Dabill in Sheffield & Notts.
Farrar in Darlington & Leeds.
Kidd & Taylor in Hartlepool & Teesside
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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 10:34 BST (UK) »
This gravestone-cleaning malarky is more popular than you think... :)




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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 10:56 BST (UK) »
Paul...........where do you get 'em from?   Great!

Jill
Jowett & Broadbent in Leeds.
Perry, Hartshorn/e & Wilkes in Birmingham & Dudley. Walker and Dabill in Sheffield & Notts.
Farrar in Darlington & Leeds.
Kidd & Taylor in Hartlepool & Teesside
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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 11:08 BST (UK) »
 :D :D :D

Luv it..  luv it..  luv it .. Paul  :D
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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 12:24 BST (UK) »
Hi wendy, the difference between cleaning gravestones and cleaning historic pictures is that one would hope that the person cleaning the historic pictures would be trained and qualified to know exactly what they are doing, what materials they are dealing with, and the ramifications of the treatment they are undertaking!! 

Having said that though, I recently went to an old cemetery in the UK and found the gravestone of my ancestors' plot fallen on its face.  With a couple of cousins I lifted the stone so we could read the face of it (most of which had rotted away - cheap stone  >:( ) ... if it had not been almost completely deteriorated as it was, we would have put it back face down, where it would have been protected.  But as we are the only descendants of those in the grave, and the stone was almost destroyed (or at least the text) we left it up.

I think as long as you understand the consequences of what you are doing, you should be allowed to clear around, and clean off to a certain extent, gravestones that are relevant to you.  Be aware that lichens, moss and overhanging greenery can help to protect the stone; that sometimes the lichen and moss are actually helping to hold some less stable stones together and if you remove them the stone may fall apart in front of your eyes; that if you scrub at a stone you may end up with the same result; and then proceed!

I have heard of people using chalk, or crayon over thin paper, to rub gently over a stone to read the letters - not sure how effective this is?  Might not have to do so much cleaning then...also with digital cameras and software being what they are today, often a photograph can be manipulated to show alot of detail.

Sorry for the mind dump  ;D

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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 12:26 BST (UK) »
Wonderful Paul!!!! ;D ;D
I voted No. 2, but I would only clean a headstone if I was pretty certain it was 'one of mine' and needed to be able to read the inscription for confirmation.

Jill

I'm with you on this one Jill :D

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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 16:39 BST (UK) »
If I suspect it is mine I just do enough to read the text. 

Luckily any I've found only needed very minor light brushing.  If the stone has laminer splitting then I wouldn't touch it.

I bet you would get a different response from a Rare Lichen Forum.

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Re: Re Cleaning Gravestones !!
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 17:02 BST (UK) »
If more people would volunteer to do MI recording, together with digital photographs, then gravestones will be preserved forever and discussions such as this will not be needed. The county FHSs are desperate to get this done and it is not too onerous - it is far easier to read a carved inscription than decipher the scrawl of an aged clergyman with arthritis and/or manic depression (having transcribed the records of a certain local  early Victorian vicar who exhibited the symptoms of  both afflictions, I can testify to the scaleof the problem).
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell