GLENDAY John -born 1822 Cupar died 1893 Surrey

[Dette]

Hi Carole,

I know all about the Indian marriage to Anne Ginn (nee Vincent).  He was previously married to a woman called Francina and had four children with her all in Madras.  I don't know anything about Francina or where they married - I just have the birth of four children (one of whom may be my husband's great-great-grandfather.

I did have a look at Scotland's People but his birth/baptism doesn't show up.  Nor a marriage before 1840.  John's regiment, the 50th Foot, was sent to Australia as an escort for convicts and they were returning to India when his ship, the Fergusson, ran aground on the Great Barrier Reef.  The passengers and crew were rescued by the other two ships with them (containing the rest of the regiment) and taken to India.  I don't have a muster list for this ship nor do I know when the Regiment was sent to Australia initially.

Do you know if I can view the contents of a National Archives UK series (WO 12) without going to London?

TIA

Dette

[Rosinish]

Possibly father John's burial?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01isf/

When you have John Jnr's birth, his father's death (if above) will be on SP & should give his wife & parents names including mother's maiden name if informant knew those details?

Possible family connections?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ise/

Annie

[CaroleW]

The 1861 census shows the above John Glenday b 1796 Ceres and living in Cupar with wife Isabella.  John was a linen manufacturer

Turning to John Glenday b 1822. 

The Glenday children shown on the 1861 entry are all born after 1853 - where are the 4 children you mention from his first marriage?

[Rosinish]

Is it possible to list all children by name in order of birth please (eldest to youngest) as he may have followed the naming pattern?

Carole, did his death 1893 show an age?

Annie

[CaroleW]

Carole, did his death 1893 show an age?

He was 71 - death registered March qtr 1893

Dette

Which document shows his birthplace as Cupar

[Rosinish]

Thanks Carole, age seems consistent.
Did you read my mind

Which document shows his birthplace as Cupar

Glenday is not a 'typical' Fife name but appears more of an Angus (Forfar) name from what I've looked at so far?

Not investigated it fully though, just testing the water just now for facts.

Annie

[CaroleW]

Did you read my mind

Great minds etc etc.  Couldn't find him on any other census apart from 1861 and 1891 so wondered where Dette got his actual birthplace from.  Children from marriage to Francina are on FS but birthyears are way out unless there were 2 couples in India called John Glenday and Francina

Births show as follows:

William 7.11.1843
Thomas 26.7.1846
Mary 11.4.1871
William 21.1.1873

[Dette]

Hi Carole and Annie

John's children from his first marriage are as follows:
William (born 7 Nov 1843 in Madras) (this may be my husband's ancestor)
Jane (born 10 March 1845 in Madras) died 6 Oct 1846 Madras
Thomas (born 26 july 1846 in Madras) died 1 Aug 1846 Madras
John P(Patrick?) born 5 May 1848 Madras died 1 May 1882 (he married and had two children all of whom died between 1870 and 1876).

John's children from his second marriage are:
Anne born 5 Jan 1853 at Ferozapore Bengal
Alexander born 1854 in Wuzeerabad Bengal
Lucy born 8 Feb 1856 in Wuzeerabad Bengal died January Qtr 1942 in Sudbury (she was a teacher)
Jane born 1859 Newcastle Under Lyme died ?
John Charles born 26 Oct 1862 Newcastle Under Lyme died 1926
Edward Albert born 5 Dec 1864 Newcastle Under Lyme died 1956 Oxford (clerk in holy orders)
Henry born 2 June 1867 Newcastle Under Lyme died 1920 Richmond

Anne (John's second wife) died in 1911 in Thanet Kent.

I got John's birth from his Chelsea pension papers in 1862. On this he states that he was born in the Parish of Cooper in Fife and was attested for the 50th Regiment of Foot at Queens Square Middlesex on 11 March 1840 at the age of 19yrs 2/12 months.  His trade is listed as shoemaker.  He served 17 yrs and 9 months of his 21 yrs of service in India as part of the 50th then the 61st Regiment of Foot before being seconded to the Staffordshire Rifles as paymaster when he returned to England in 1860.  He lived the rest of his life in Newcastle Under Lime and died in Boxhill Sussex in 1893 (my mistake earlier about Surrey). 

I hope this makes sense.

TIA
Dette

[Rosinish]

Hmm........Long time away 

Births show as follows:

William 7.11.1843
Thomas 26.7.1846
GAP 25 yrs
Mary 11.4.1871
William 21.1.1873

2 x William 

Dette,

Do you have any other info. from the children Carole has named?

Is the marriage of their parents listed on their births?

The strange thing is no John (named after his own father) but then, there may have been reason, who knows?

Annie

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