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Re: birthplace. .. Nr Singapore settlement?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Do you know what circumstances would lead to him being born there in 1880?

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 16:51 GMT (UK) »
His parents being there is the usual one  :)  Careers which took people out there would have included the military, the colonial civil service, anything to do with plantations etc. Or other trade links.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: birthplace. .. Nr Singapore settlement?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 17:10 GMT (UK) »
On the other hand, as you say, everything else points to his being a labourer/collier's son from Bradford, Lancs - birth registered in Prestwich district Sep qtr 1879.

An online tree suggests he'd served in the Boer War - is that right?  Perhaps if so he had mingled with people who had travelled far and wide, and invented a bit of a fantasy (and a mysterious middle name) to impress his bride?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Haha it might well be something like that .. i'd heard through family that he was in the boer war .. where did you find the online tree?


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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 20:21 GMT (UK) »
His service record is on FindMyPast. He served in the Manchester Regiment 1897-1908 , including service in the Boer War. He was in Singapore 11.3.03. - 29.12.04.
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 20:29 GMT (UK) »
His army record on FindMyPast (Manchester Regiment 1897-1909) says he was born in the parish of Bradford, Manchester. Maybe he spun his wife a yarn about being born in Singapore !


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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 November 16 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Haha it does sound like it.. I've heard he had quite a sense of humour so it'd fit that characteristic quite well..
I'm not a member of find my past so I can't view that record,  doesn't show up on ancestry but I'd like to view it, is there a lot of informational to see on his boer war campaign?

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 November 16 08:52 GMT (UK) »
If you have Ancestry look for J Broadhurst regimental number 5065 in "UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls"
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 03 November 16 10:06 GMT (UK) »
I'm going to add to this conversation, not as a wise genealogist but as someone who has spent a fair bit of time in Singapore.

I would be inclined to think that your Gt granddad's birth in Bradford may be the thing he lied about, rather than a birth overseas. If he was keen to get into the army, he may have omitted the Singapore birth because it could raise a whole lot of questions he'd rather not waste time answering.

If his dad was a collier then the dad may have been a stoker on a ship at some stage. Alternatively the dad might have served in the army too, and been stationed in SG for a while.

SG was absolutely booming economically in the 1880s so a strong British presence there was desirable. That could mean military, shipping etc.

Modern Singapore has been collecting birth, marriage and death data for some time now. It also has a growing genealogist community. I'd like to suggest you send an email off to Singapore's National Library for advice on who specifically to correspond with. Either that or use Google to track down the registry of births or whatever they call it there. You may be pleasantly surprised by what you find.

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