Author Topic: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927  (Read 2020 times)

Offline dawnsh

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:11 BST (UK) »
Whoops sorry: I thought that 75 years was the rule for copyright.

Not if the image came from a subscription site. Small portions are allowed for deciphering purposes as Sandra has posted.

Thanks for removing it.
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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:12 BST (UK) »
Whoops sorry: I thought that 75 years was the rule for copyright.

Not if the image came from a subscription site. Small portions are allowed for deciphering purposes as Sandra has posted.

Thanks for removing it.
No problem. My apologies.

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:20 BST (UK) »
Notice the daughter Matilda shown on the 1891 census is an adopted daughter to Frederick and Elizabeth Mink on the 1901

1891 Owen Sound Ontario

Charles E Flowers 29
Elizabeth Flowers 28
Malilda M Flowers   2
Allice Flowers 9 months.
John Mowat 41

Matilda was Matilda May Flowers who married in 1906 to John Archibald Campbell.
Alice born 1890 married 9 March 1910 York Ontario to Charles Royal Pritchard.
The birth of Alice could be the one listed as Elizabeth Flowers 29 July 1890 Grey Ontario.

1901 Bentinck Grey Ontario

Frederick Mink   32 Born Ontario.
Elizabeth Mink   28 Born Ontario.
Matilda Flowers   12 Born 4 August 1888. Adopted Daughter.
George 4 Born 14 October 1896. Son.

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:29 BST (UK) »
A marriage 8 July 1912 - for a sister Edith M Flowers born 1894 Owen Sound - spouse  Alexander Levi - Grey Ontario -

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:33 BST (UK) »
Mother Elizabeth passed away 21 November 1935 York Ontario - aged 72 years - widowed - name of informant Alice Pritchard - 214 Jarvis Street Toronto. Burial Owen Sound Ontario 2 November 1935.

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:42 BST (UK) »
1921 Owen Sound Grey Ontario

Elizabeth Flowers 37 (age should be 57)
Isabella Bayliss   83 Born 1838 England.

Isabella passed away 26 May 1926 - Grey Ontario.

Isabella is shown on find a grave but some details on Elizabeth are incorrect  ::)

FIND A GRAVE

Isabella Lougheed Baylis

Burial - Greenwood Cemetery  Owen Sound Grey County Ontario.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40727455&ref=acom

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Re: Help please: possible British home child: Charles Edward Flowers 1862-1927
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sandra. This is all stuff I have already as Matilda was my great-grandmother.  ;). Alice Pritchard is actually daughter Alice (so she may have been living with her at the time as Alice was living in Toronto where she died). This family was already my mystery: Charles just added to it with the possible home child discovery!

In 1891, all three girls are living with their parents. In 1901, the two oldest are "adopted daughters" of German speaking families. Can't find the youngest (Edith) or mother Elizabeth on this census. I believe I have found Charles (maybe) living in Toronto as "single". 1902, he married Sarah Jane Freel (definitely him as his parents are right), calling himself a "bachelor" and in 1911, he was living in Toronto with wife Sarah, claiming he was naturalized in 1901.

There is another part of this. My father (grandson of Matilda) remembers seeing a family tree as a child that had an aboriginal woman, living on the Bruce Peninsula, which is where Elizabeth was from (Keppel, Ontario). So there is a possibility that the girls were given to white families to raise.

Edited to add that it seems that Isabella was born in Ontario, despite some records indicating otherwise.

And all three girls had their biological parents on their marriage licenses.

Also Matilda's birth certificate lists her grandmother (i.e. Charles's mother) as her mother, rather than her actual mother.

Final addition: the German speaking adoptive families are related (the one adopted mother is the mother of the other)

1921 Owen Sound Grey Ontario

Elizabeth Flowers 37 (age should be 57)
Isabella Bayliss   83 Born 1838 England.

Isabella passed away 26 May 1926 - Grey Ontario.

Isabella is shown on find a grave but some details on Elizabeth are incorrect  ::)

FIND A GRAVE

Isabella Lougheed Baylis

Burial - Greenwood Cemetery  Owen Sound Grey County Ontario.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40727455&ref=acom

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