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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 14 September 25 09:07 BST (UK) »
Hello Claire

No not a couple as far as I know, this is totally new relating to Knottingley.

Reason for my interest is a Francis/Frances Crowder and Geo Hood in 1813 appear as Occupiers in the Knottingley Land Tax for only 1 year (extract featured - 2nd image), after an unknown James Knowles and John Cook in 1812 (also featured - 1st image).

In 1814, Occupiers Frances Crowder and Geo Hood also disappear.

Wondering if John Cook has died (although no suggestion of Executors) and Crowder / Hood are there to deal with matters, or perhaps deal with a business at the premises.

In 1814 George Wilkinson has completely new Occupiers (not featured).

Regards Mark

Why was 'a'  George Hood in Knottingley 1813 land tax

Across the River Aire about 5 miles North of Knottingley is a village of Sutton the home village of Ann Pearson who had a illegitimate child  called George Pearson baptised in Rawcliffe 1789
Was John Hood mariner of Selby in Rawmarsh about 1786 -1789. River Aire - Selby broad Canal and Rawmarsh Bridge - Knottingley/Ferrybridge  broad canal.

Thank you Dave

For raising the place of SUTTON.

I'm not from Yorkshire, so my geography is limited and I was working on Sutton near Hull.

1) Yes, there was a Sutton, a few miles North of Knottingley and AI, also mentions Sutton Lane, today and now in the Civil Parish of Byram cum Sutton

2) Then AI also says:- while the larger village of Sutton is further south, near Askern and Campsall, in South Yorkshire.

Richard Pearson of Thorne (died 1829), Yorkshire, was from Campsall at his first marriage, in 1780.


Do you recall the Samuel Hirst Diaries?

"Samuel Hirst was born in Stubbs Walden on his father's farm in the year 1803. In February 1831 at the age of 27 he came to Kellington to take over a farm that formed part of Sir Samuel Crompton's estate." Apparently, Hirst was a land valuer, so that might be the reason for the friendship.

1833
Tuesday 9 July
At Kellington, a fine day but it was very like rain in the morning.
I am just expecting Mr Hood and his friend to dine out of (?) today, they are staying at Askern.
Mr Hood came and dined with me.
Called and looked at Mr Earnshaw's rams.
I took supper at Hutt Green.



Cockin of Thorne
Especially, John and James Cockin of Thorne, Yorkshire and probably Chester Newby's family may also have known the goings on, or knew how George Hood of Selby, was conceived.

Regarding Rawcliffe in the Parish of Snaith (where George Pearson, was baptised) the Parish of Snaith also covered quite a few townships including Pollington and Great Heck, going towards Campsall.

Chester Newby
George Hood's Bondsman, Chester Newby of Whitley was baptised Kellington.

Thomas & Hannah Newby (nee Chester) of Whitley and Carlton cum Snaith
Chester Newby's parents have another Son, William Newby baptised in 1788 at Carlton juxta Snaith (Dades Register), it says Thomas Newby was a Butcher at Carlton and his parents were John Newby of Hurst, Farmer and Elizabeth, his Wife.

Hannah Newby was the Daughter of William Chester, Farmer of Whitley and Jane his Wife.

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Ann Pearson of Sutton, was linked to Campsall, travelling along the farm tracks and paths between places, she would be known by locals and possibly Farmers.

Cockin - Casson - Pearson
John Cockin of Thorne Apprentice to Mordecai Casson.

Mordecai Casson was linked in business to John Whaley, who was related to Richard Pearson and William Hunt Pearson of Thorne and Richard Pearson of Thorne originally came Campsall.

in 1808 John Whaley of St Olaves London married Hannah Pearson of Thorne, Yorkshire and Richard Pearson was a marriage witness along with N. Howoth, E. Bell and Thomas Bromley. Then a few years later in 1811 Richard Pearson of Thorne, Junior, married Nancy Howoth.


What I need to do now, is try and confirm which Sutton, Ann Pearson (having the illegitimate children) was linked to.

Mark

Added: Ann Pearson of Sutton came under Campsall, according to the outer (other side)

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #64 on: Sunday 14 September 25 13:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark,

(First a correction in my last post  - I said Rawmarsh Bridge -  I ment Rawciffe Bridge)

That Google A L is not all that bright  ;D when put up against the human brain and collective knowledge of people.
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Both Sutton's Knottingley and Campsall are about the same distance from Snaith parish.

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If any order payment to the parish was put on the unknown father of George Pearson baptised 1789 mother Hannah or Ann or Annie Pearson single woman residing in Rawcliffe  would rule that baptism in or out in overseers  accounts or a quarter sessions order

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I use to go walking around Campsall and Askern a few years ago. ( Got ruddy lost there once an o'l - Yer! Know! fields, woods and trees  :-[ can't see wood for trees  ;D)

My granny on my fathers side relations came from Knottingley, Kellington, Beal, and Selby, I have done little research myself but was given info of research done by a subscriber of an Ancestry tree owner with photo's. A female  Jackson, married a William Neaverson innkeeper (My Gr granddad) from a village of Peakirk nr Peterborough.)

Dave
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 14 September 25 22:12 BST (UK) »
Quote: ( from your last above post)

What I need to do now, is try and confirm which Sutton, Ann Pearson (having the illegitimate children) was linked to.

Mark



Added: Ann Pearson of Sutton came under Campsall, according to the outer (other side)

Unquote:

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 That printed image West riding of Yorkshire - To the Constable of Rawcliffe
(Under the few lines of hand writing )
(The printed writing)

These are therefore to command - You in his Majesty's Name

Under the word command - 2 lines down it says: Campsall - (front of the Document)


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If you ever thought for reasons why George Hood of Selby has covered his track of his pre 1812 life Selby

Maybe born out of wedlock, and mother an underaged minor maybe a reason.


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Hannah Pearson daughter of Thomas & Mary Pearson baptised 18th April 1772 Campsall


Thomas Pearson X Mary Barson marriage (by banns) 20th Dec 1768 Campsall

Thomas Pearson buried Oct 1830 abode Sutton in St. Mary Magdalene Churchyard Campsall  (His Will/Probate will be interesting if he left one)

1789 South Cave, by Banns
James Cockin of this Parish Bachelor
Frances Corner, Spinster of ye same
Wits:- John Jenkinson ; John Wilson

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Womersley is about 5 mile from Campsall

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Hello

Sorry about the delay in joining the conversations about my own posting but haven't had the chance to go online for a couple of days.

A couple of points. Elizabeth Jenkinson Pearson was the daughter of George and Elizabeth (not Mary). Elizabeth died in childbirth in 1814 and was buried Campsall age 28 yrs., 31st Jan (wife of George, Farmer of Womersley). Her child, Mary survived.

Apologies - it was her grandmother who was named Mary!!!!

Baptism
Womersley
Infant's Christian name & Seniority: Elizabeth jenkinson 4
Infant's surname: Pearson D
Father's name, profession Descent & Abode: George pearson Maltster  s. Thomas & Mary Pearson Sutton Womersley
Mother's name & descent: Elizabeth Jenkinson d. Edward & Elizabeth jenkinson Sutton
Born 3 may baptism 12 may 1811

Suz


In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #66 on: Monday 15 September 25 23:15 BST (UK) »
Quote: ( from your last above post)

What I need to do now, is try and confirm which Sutton, Ann Pearson (having the illegitimate children) was linked to.

Mark



Added: Ann Pearson of Sutton came under Campsall, according to the outer (other side)

Unquote:

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 That printed image West riding of Yorkshire - To the Constable of Rawcliffe
(Under the few lines of hand writing )
(The printed writing)

These are therefore to command - You in his Majesty's Name

Under the word command - 2 lines down it says: Campsall - (front of the Document)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you ever thought for reasons why George Hood of Selby has covered his track of his pre 1812 life Selby

Maybe born out of wedlock, and mother an underaged minor maybe a reason.


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Hannah Pearson daughter of Thomas & Mary Pearson baptised 18th April 1772 Campsall


Thomas Pearson X Mary Barson marriage (by banns) 20th Dec 1768 Campsall

Thomas Pearson buried Oct 1830 abode Sutton in St. Mary Magdalene Churchyard Campsall  (His Will/Probate will be interesting if he left one)

1789 South Cave, by Banns
James Cockin of this Parish Bachelor
Frances Corner, Spinster of ye same
Wits:- John Jenkinson ; John Wilson

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Womersley is about 5 mile from Campsall

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Hello

Sorry about the delay in joining the conversations about my own posting but haven't had the chance to go online for a couple of days.

A couple of points. Elizabeth Jenkinson Pearson was the daughter of George and Elizabeth (not Mary). Elizabeth died in childbirth in 1814 and was buried Campsall age 28 yrs., 31st Jan (wife of George, Farmer of Womersley). Her child, Mary survived.

Apologies - it was her grandmother who was named Mary!!!!

Baptism
Womersley
Infant's Christian name & Seniority: Elizabeth jenkinson 4
Infant's surname: Pearson D
Father's name, profession Descent & Abode: George pearson Maltster  s. Thomas & Mary Pearson Sutton Womersley
Mother's name & descent: Elizabeth Jenkinson d. Edward & Elizabeth jenkinson Sutton
Born 3 may baptism 12 may 1811

Suz

To future researchers of George Hood born approx outside parameters 1784 to 1790 (born Yorkshire in 1841 census with 5 year age circa) later life from 1812 lived in Selby, married 1815 Selby age 28 on allegation bond and then buried 1845 Selby age 60 but recorded age 63 in a newspaper notice of his death /burial, then George Hood was buried in Selby Quaker burial ground as a none practicing quaker?

As Above

Reason for researching the Pearson surname is George Hood of Selby had a grandchild through his son James Hood of Selby with a middle name Pearson. Therefore aforesaid George Hood may have been born illegitimate to Hannah Pearson of Sutton village in Campsall parish, then later residing in Rawcliffe village in Snaith Parish,  baptised George Pearson son of Hannah Pearson 1789 in Rawcliffe Yorkshire.



Thomas Pearson son of Edward Pearson baptised August 1848 Campsall Yorkshire

Thomas Pearson Burial aged 83 Oct 1830 (Born 1747) Campsall

Mary Barson daughter of Thomas Barson baptised February  1742 Skelton

(There are some deeds registered at Wakefield Archives with a George Hood name on in Skelton dated 1844)

There's a few Mary Pearson burials in various years between 1772 (Hannah Pearson baptism year) and 1840 in Campsall parish register more research needed here .

So for the time being this is as far as this research can go online as archive research at LDS library Leeds, Derby records office, Doncaster and Wakefield archives also Borthwick University Library archives needed on the Pearson's of Campsall.

Thomas Pearson & Mary his wife may have been of substance to leave a Will but had disowned  their daughter Hannah having had had a child out of wedlock and Hannah may had to claim relief payments from either Snaith or Campsall parishes in Overseers accounts record in turn they apply to retrieve money through the  Court quarter sessions bastardy orders or court offer on the father if known - ? (Hopefully a man with a surname of Hood)


In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth


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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #67 on: Monday 10 November 25 13:21 GMT (UK) »
It still natters me!

You can't find who George Hood born 1785 to 1787 cooper/brewer/tanner of Selby was before 1810/1812

Then John Hood innkeeper of the Ship inn south shore Gateshead with his possible son George Hood of John Hood  bapt Oct 1786 Gateshead disappeared post 1789 - did John hood innkeeper move back to a pub/inn/or hotel in North Yorkshire with son George.

Seeing as no other baptism of a child of John Hood can be found in Gateshead parish register +/- 10 years of 1786 - the question arises - did John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship inn Gateshead bring his new born unbaptised new baby son George with him from Yorkshire.
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 12 November 25 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello All

Thank you Dave, I will come back to your last reply later.

Woken up thirsty had a cup of water and now having a mug of tea and reading this page and felt I would reconfirm the illegitimate Female child of Ann Pearson at Campsall also linked to Rawcliffe.

Added:
Thank you Dave, yes there was a Sutton in the Parish of Campsall as your snippets show.


"The Chapel of Rawcliffe in the Parish of Snaith" was where on, Nov'r 22 George Pearson, the Base Born S. of Hannah Pearson Pauper, was recorded in the 1789 B.T.


(There was a, Jane Dr. of Matthew and Ann of Fenwick 13th November 1783, having a child baptised at Campsall.)

Just above this in 1783 it says:- 
October 2d the New Duty takes Place 3/per Child.
A letter "D" written above with a little line to the slash, I suppose to confirm it meant 3d (3 old pence, rather than 3 shillings).

(Also 27th January 1784 a, John, Son of Richard and Mary Pearson of Campsall).


To reconfirm the illegitimate child of Ann Pearson at Campsall ...

1784 Campsall, Aug't 29th

Mary the Spurious Dr of Ann Pearson of Rawcliffe, 29.

Added:
Yes, it must be Sutton in Campsall and this little infant Female child is the one in the attached Order with reference to Rawcliffe and Sutton, Campsall (above Reply #63).

But no Will it seems to be listed for Thomas Pearson, a possible Father for Hannah / Ann.

Mark


Added:

Campsall Burials for Mary Pearson:- 

1788, Mary Daughter of Matthew & Ann Pearson.

1789 6th April, Mary the Wife of Richard Pearson.

1796 13th May, Mary [?] of John Pearson of Campsall.

1805 18th August, Mary Ann Dr. of John and Ann Pearson of Fenwick.

1820 10th March, Mary Pearson of Sutton, buried Campsall Age 84 years.

1821 10th March, Mary Pearson of Sutton, buried Campsall Age 84 years.

Above, a year different between (images seen), or a very unusual coincidence same day date, month and age and Abode.

1821 25th March, Mary Pearson of Moss, buried Campsall Age 16 years.

1842 3rd January, Mary Pearson of Sutton, buried Campsall Age 66 years.


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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 12 November 25 16:06 GMT (UK) »
It still natters me!

You can't find who George Hood born 1785 to 1787 cooper/brewer/tanner of Selby was before 1810/1812

Then John Hood innkeeper of the Ship inn south shore Gateshead with his possible son George Hood of John Hood  bapt Oct 1786 Gateshead disappeared post 1789 - did John hood innkeeper move back to a pub/inn/or hotel in North Yorkshire with son George.

Seeing as no other baptism of a child of John Hood can be found in Gateshead parish register +/- 10 years of 1786 - the question arises - did John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship inn Gateshead bring his new born unbaptised new baby son George with him from Yorkshire.

added

We think! we know John Hood baptised Gateshead 1845 was the shoemaker of Blue quarries being a an established long term resident  of Gateshead - if he had a family of children he most likely would had more than one child baptised.

Leaving the question who was John Hood the innkeeper south shore in Gateshead before 1787(trades directory)  to 1789 - and short term contract traveling innkeeper/publican would fit one off child baptism'

Innkeeper/Publican/ victuallers often did their own brewing those days and probably barrel repairs aswell as semi skilled coppers = all George Hood of Selby businesses or trade skills
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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #70 on: Friday 14 November 25 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello All

Thanks Dave

There is an Archive at Gateshead and enquiries made there.

Replied here (to keep the Durham & Newcastle upon Tyne, items together) regarding an 1838 Will found, mentioning some of the Scott family of Newcastle.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?

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