Author Topic: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.  (Read 2403 times)

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John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« on: Sunday 16 October 16 05:19 BST (UK) »
Found my GG Grandfather on the 1851 Census.  He was born in 1800 and in 1826 he married a Jane??? in Carncastle Church of Ireland.  Would like to know where John was born and also Jane's surname to further my research.

Anyone else researching my John Maxwell? or point me in the right direction to further my research. 

Many thanks for reading my post.
Maxwell,Workman, O'Neill, Smyth/Smith.
Reid,McClean,O'Hara,
Weir,Neill.

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Re: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 October 16 21:49 BST (UK) »
Have you checked local church records? Sometimes baptisms do list mother's maiden name but not always.

Sometimes mother's maiden name is found on later records for children such as their marriage or death certificates depending on the location.
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Re: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 October 16 10:15 BST (UK) »
Hi, Jenny57

Not straightforward with bad news as I explore what you know you may know it all
Carncastle { Cairncastle 1901} parish is bounded by Ihave added in Tithe applotment entries if found etc
Tickmacrevan civil parish to the north. no Maxwell found in 1834
Kilwaughter civil parish to the east,  see Maxwell, Samuel Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1834
Grange of Killyglen civil parish to the south, see Maxwell, Robt. Townland: Killyglinn Year: 1834 the east is the Irish Sea.  larne is only 3 or 4 miles south.
Ballytober name see http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=16687
Ballytober townland map https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-upper/carncastle/ballytober/  see also ask about Ireland –grifffiths maps ie 6 inch to the mile is first ed,first revision about 1860.
(1851) census fragment
you found one of two versions of this family
1851 see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Residents of a house 11 in Ballytober (Carncastle, Upper Glenarm, Antrim)
Maxwell  John  51  -  Male  Head Of Family  Married  -  Ploughman  Read  Antrim  [b~1800]
Maxwell  Jane  52  -  Female  Wife  Married  -  None  Read & Write  Antrim  [b~1799]
Maxwell  William  29  -  Male  Son  -  -  Army  -  Antrim  [b ~1822]
Maxwell  Robt  15  -  Male  Son  -  -  Servant  -  Antrim  [b~1836]
Maxwell  James  14  -  Male  Son  Not Married  -  Servant  Read  Antrim  [b~1837]
Maxwell  David  12  -  Male  Son  -  -  Servant  -  Antrim  [b~1839]
Maxwell  Samuel  9  -  Male  Son  Not Married  -  At School  Read  Antrim  [b~1842]
the above is duplicated with exception of eldest son William being Army Dublin rather than Army Antrim I tried checking army records at Kew but perhaps didn’t try hard enough and I didn’t check
s see also http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ShowFreePage.php?id=170
You know the family was church of Ireland

PRONI guide to churches has
CARNCASTLE [or CAIRNCASTLE], CO. ANTRIM
C.I. Carncastle (Connor diocese)[Linked to Kilwaughter – see under KILWAUGHTER]
looking up Kilwaughter
KILWAUGHTER, CO. ANTRIM
C.I. Kilwaughter and Carncastle (Connor diocese) [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin]
Baptisms, 1883-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1883-.
Summary that is bad luck, you should still ask the church body Dublin for anything relevant

family in 1901/1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Carncastle/Ballytober/194508/  these must be relatives
1911   24 in Ballytober (Carncastle, Antrim) the Allens have two young Maxwell grandsons living with them where is the rest of the family?
1901 20 in Ballytober (Cairncastle, Antrim)
Maxwell   Mary   65   Female   Head of Family   Episcopaleian   Co Antrim Widow   [b~1836] has two Maxwell sons living with her
thats my first half
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Re: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 October 16 10:17 BST (UK) »
heres my final offering
1901
3 in Ballyhacket (Cairncastle, Antrim)
Maxwell   James   63   Male   Brother   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   -   Read and write   -   Not Married   - I think he fits with james b 1837 above
Maxwell   Samuel   49   Male   Head of Family   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   Farmer   Read and write   -   Married   -as he has older brother, if his birth year is wrong, he too could be familysee Samuel b~Z1842 above
Maxwell   Lizzie   48   Female   Wife   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   -   Read and write   -   Married to    -
children
Magee   Susan   nee Maxwell 23   Female   Daughter   Presbyterian   Co Antrim   -   Read and write m Magee   Henry   24   Male   Son in Law   Presbyterian   Co Antrim   Coachbuilder   Read and write   -   Married   -
Maxwell   William   18   Male   Son   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   Farmers Son   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Maxwell   Agnes   16   Female   Daughter   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   Farmers Daughter   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Maxwell   Hamilton   10   Male   Son   Uniterrian   Co Antrim   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
1901
4 in Ballyhacket (Cairncastle, Antrim)
Maxwell   Elizabeth   60   Female   Sister   Unitarian   -   -   Read write   -   Not Married   -
Maxwell   William   50   Male   Head of Family   Unitarian   Antrim   Farmer   Read and write   -   Married   -
Maxwell   Jane   56   Female   Wife   Unitarian   -   -   Read write   -   Married   -
Maxwell   Jennie   24   Female   Daughter   Unitarian   -   Dressmaker   Read write   -   Not Married   -
Maxwell   James   23   Male   Son   Unitarian   -   Farmers Son   Read write   -   Not Married   -
Maxwell   Annie E   20   Female   Daughter   Unitarian   -   Farmers Daughter   Read write   -   Not Married   -
38 in Ballygally (Cairncastle, Antrim)
Maxwell   Eliza   29   Female   Servant   Presbyterian   Co Antrim   General Servant Domestic   Read and write   -   Not Married   -

connectable by Griffiths valuation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
1861
John Maxwell Ballywillin 30 acres best land herdsmans modest house valued at 15 shillings pa [there are others with 5 shillings house and the local clergyman has12 acres and a house valued at £11pa
1861
John Maxwell Ballytober 30 acres best land [no house] so he is living in Ballywillin

11 Ballytober Townland , Carncastle County Antrim (1851)
seems to be a shared {long?}house  with  Robert Richie, note no mention of son william in the army  Robert Ritchie ‘s tenancy is listed as occupier of number 12in the continuation of [Griffiths ]valuation books eg see PRONI then Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/7/4A (1863 - 1866) its page 23, on the line above is No 11 and John Maxwell is crossed out  and a john Crawford talks over a pencil note says 11b ..... illegible to me.

8 Droagh Townland , Carncastle County Antrim (1851)
Maxwell working for the Lorimer,

1834 tithe applotment books no Maxwell found in Carncastle  {possibly because the C of I rector lived there}

Carncastle parish is bounded by Tickmacrevan to the north. Kilwaughter to the east, Grange of Killyglen to the south, the east is the Irish Sea.  Larne is only 3 or 4  miles south


The townland is along horizontal strip with a big mouthful taken out of the middle of the northern area. the nearest school killyglen national school to be found where the Ballytober road starts on the east side of runs eastwards to Brustin Bay Road and crosses over on the way to Drains Bay with road name now Tobergel Lane. Ballumullock road on the southern boundary of the townland
you can travel around ballytober road as ‘street scene’ on Modern google.  the old map 1860ish is findable at  http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/single_layer/i8.php?lat=&longt=&dum=0&sheet=34,35&mysession=2513325547722&info=&place=&county=ANTRIM&placename=BALLYTOBER&parish=CARNCASTLE&country=Ireland&union=&barony=GLENARM,%20UPPER  if you use the 200ft scale bottom rh corner you can see that map is not divided up into tenants  but you can see the farm buildings they are few in the townland which also has names like Gallan,Brae Nook, Cammercam, ballytober [house]and mcKeestown to the eastern border  Another copy of the Griffiths map might be marked up and stored elsewhere eg Ballymena Library Hqs , the valuation office Belfast, the OS office but under some government office
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Re: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 October 16 21:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you Aghadowey.  I will try and access the Church Records which I believe are held locally.
Maxwell,Workman, O'Neill, Smyth/Smith.
Reid,McClean,O'Hara,
Weir,Neill.

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Re: John Maxwell Parish of Carncastle townland of Ballytober. BRICK WALL.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 October 16 21:31 BST (UK) »
BallyaltikilliganG   Thank you so much for the effort you put into this and for the information given. I had some of this information and am still digesting what I didn't have.  Will get back to you.
 
Maxwell,Workman, O'Neill, Smyth/Smith.
Reid,McClean,O'Hara,
Weir,Neill.