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Offline Falleneagle

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Need help decyphering this please
« on: Saturday 15 October 16 01:12 BST (UK) »
If you could tell me what this reads and what his occupation means please.
Lockhart, MacDonald, Guerin, Evans, Johnston

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 October 16 01:50 BST (UK) »
Is this Latin?

It looks like it's meant to be Writer?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 October 16 01:54 BST (UK) »
I think 26 November?

Edit, although there's a line below the 'N' which looks to be an error?
Possibly going to write December in error?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 October 16 03:39 BST (UK) »
26 Decembris 1672.

James Lockheart Writter. Margaret Burnet

Decembris (Latin) = December

I understand that in Scotland a Writter/Writer is a lawyer.


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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 October 16 03:52 BST (UK) »
I agree with Horselydown86

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 October 16 03:56 BST (UK) »
H86,

I am looking at the formation of the 3rd letter which doesn't look like a 'c' hence my wondering whether the 1st letter was an error.

A bit more of the document would have helped though.

Annie

Added, I saw no reference to Scotland in the post?
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 October 16 04:12 BST (UK) »
Annie,

The third letter is indeed a c, albeit of the style commonly used in the C17th and earlier.  That c doesn't look like modern c.  To modern eyes it's more like an r.

(See the example of the word concerning from 1698 below.)

It's identical to the third letter of Lockheart.

While the post doesn't explicitly mention Scotland, I'm fairly sure that these Lockhearts are from north of the Wall.

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 October 16 04:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks H86,

Yes, easy when you have something to compare it with  ::)

As I mentioned earlier, a bit more from the OP on the doc. would have helped.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Need help decyphering this please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 October 16 06:33 BST (UK) »
Have found a reference to a James Lockhart writer in OUP Oxford History of Historical Writing
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-history-of-historical-writing-9780199219179?cc=gb&lang=en&
Google James Lockhart
The Oxford History of Historical Writing: Volume 3: 1400-1800
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0199219176
Masayuki Sato, ‎Daniel Woolf, ‎Edoardo Tortarolo - 2012 - ‎History
... 310 Le Clerc, Jean (1657–1736) 272 Le Moyne, Pierre (1602–71) 485 Lę Qu ́y ... John (1632–1704) 274, 275, 670 Lockhart, James 600, 601, 603 Lombardi, ...
wagg,merchant,drake,pike,wellings,latham,
shropshire,somerset,dorset,hampshire,warwickshire,gloucestershire,worcestershire,
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