Photo Dating please - James Williams and/or Alice Jane Chuck

[Thornwood]

Looking at ages could the lady on the right be James's wife and from facial features,  the woman on the left her mother with her father behind. As James was so much older than his wife his in-laws would have been much the same age as him. The child who the lady has her arm on could be her grandson.
Just an idea!

[dawn-in-nz]

Could be Thornwood but there is another photo that has the woman on the right with the man behind her and three of the children so I presumed they were husband & wife with their children. The young woman on the right sitting on the ground could be the mother of the young boy in white but there's no ring on her finger and she does look a bit young to have what, a 5-7 year old son?

It's all very puzzling as James died in 1922 aged 81 so that makes him about 70 in the photo, he's a pretty good looking 70 year old I'm thinking! The woman in front of him looks to be about 45ish so she could be his wife but then why has the other guy put his hand on her shoulder? If she is James' wife then the boy in white could be son Wesley born in 1903 and the girl in front of him would be Alva born 1899.

Could the middle guy be son Victor born 1894 and that's why his hand is on his mother? I thought not as he looks a lot older than 16 or so, besides there is another photo of Victor taken in his 20s (in front of the same bush) and they don't look alike!

I have a few white hairs left.......

[dawn-in-nz]

We have lift off....

I found someone who is the grandaughter of the little boy in white, he is Harold THOMAS, his sister Ivy Zilpha Thomas is the one on the right sitting on the ground, she is the wife of the owner of the album James Spencer WHITE!

Their parents are the couple on the left, David Thomas & wife Esther Elizabeth neé CHUCK, with another daughter Olive in front. So that just leaves the other family and James Williams.

[jim1]

So this is the lineup.
It makes sense except for Ivy.
This has been deliberately posed by the photographer & it would be very unusual to pose Ivy like this if that wasn't her mother behind her.
She looks 18-20 so when was Ivy born?

[Gadget]

Ivy looks very like the woman behind her. I agree with Jim, it's most likely her mother.

Gadget

[dawn-in-nz]

Yes I have to agree with you both but in fact we now KNOW that Ivy is the daughter of David & Esther Thomas, here she is in a photo of the full Thomas family that Harold's granddaughter sent me yesterday.

[dawn-in-nz]

A few more photos, Esther with son Harold and the unknown family.
Note: Esther has the same dress on as in the full Thomas family photo I was sent yesterday.

[dawn-in-nz]

One last one of Harold (born 1905) with sister Ivy (born 1891). So you were all spot on with the date, thank you all once again.