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Ahnentafel old German handwriting help please
« on: Saturday 08 October 16 11:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I've come across a document basically showing some generations back from the named person at the top. It lists names, birthplaces, locations, marriages, deaths etc back a couple of generations ie. the persons mother and father and then their parents also.

It's been signed in 1934 and then looks like it's been witnessed and countersigned once checked in 1937. Guessing it's something to do with proving heritage during the war?

The person at the top was born in 1901 and filled out in handwriting guessing old German - it's only a photocopy so quite difficult to make out some of it.

Please advise best place to post further enquiries regarding this wasn't quite sure where to post this so apologise if it's on the wrong board.

Thanks in advance.
Lilygirl.
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Re: Ahnentafel document what's it for?/help deciphering it.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 October 16 11:47 BST (UK) »
Sounds like proof of Aryan ancestry.
Griffiths Llandogo, Mitcheltroy, Mon. and Whitchurch Here (Also Edwards),  18th C., Griffiths FoD 19th Century.

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Re: Ahnentafel document what's it for?/help deciphering it.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 October 16 12:11 BST (UK) »
It is only a family tree or is there any other documentation or notes alongside it? Where did you get the document from and what does it relate to?

If you are able to scan it and post it here I'm sure you will get some help with deciphering it and working out what it's purpose was.

(Regorian's idea sounds very logical.)

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Re: Ahnentafel document what's it for?/help deciphering it.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 October 16 12:14 BST (UK) »
Lucky You   :o   Wish my German ancestor had listed his ancestry!

Wiki has an explanation of what you've got in your possession. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnentafel

Hopefully, your list will show which town and which state of the German speaking population that your ancestors lived in.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke


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Re: Ahnentafel document what's it for?/help deciphering it.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 October 16 12:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks kinda guessed that.
It's been in the family for some time but only just been rediscovered again I suppose.
I can make out bits but do need some help from the experts!

Will be back ASAP with some of it once I can get it scanned in.
Trying to locate the original but will have to make do with a bad copy for now.

Thanks again you guys are great.

Lilygirl
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Re: Ahnentafel document what's it for?/help deciphering it.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 October 16 13:53 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Here's the scan of the first page.
Looking forward to seeing what you can make of the handwriting.
 :)
Thanks again.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 October 16 13:54 BST (UK) »
part 2
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Re: Ahnentafel old German handwriting help please
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 October 16 22:44 BST (UK) »
If my memory cells were much younger I might have deciphered a bit more.  I've had a stab at it but the handwriting is unfamiliar.  Hopefully somebody else will hover into view shortly.

The surname looks vaguely like Lorenz but I wouldn't put my hat on it.

Eigene  Personalien /     (Own    Personal Data)

Name und Vorname  /    (sur)name and forename           -?-  Franz  -?-

Wohnort, Strasse und Nr. /  Place, Street and Number.....-?-  -?-  16

Geburtsort, Tag, Monat, Jahr /Place of Birth,Day, Month, Year 22 March/May? 1901  -?-  -?-   2nd image shows "Marz" = March

--? --  (auch fruhere -?-)      /   -?-  (also earlier -?-)   -?-
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Personalien Meiner Ehrefrau / Personal Data of My Wife
Name und Vorname  /    (sur)name and forename   /  -? Charlotte
Madchenname       /               Maiden name.   -?-
--? --  (auch fruhere -?-)      /   -?-  (also earlier -?-)   -?-


Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Ahnentafel old German handwriting help please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 October 16 07:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Rena, (and others)
The surname looks vaguely like Lorenz but I wouldn't put my hat on it.

Yes it sure is so you're hat is safe! lol.

It's sure hard to make some of it out isn't it?

Thanks, particularly interested in the place names and anything anyone else can add.


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