George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / James Cook in W

[dobfarm]

Ships 'Industry' and 'Leeds Packet' (Packett) 1785 to 1787

Did either ship dock in Newcastle/Gateshead Sept 1786 en-route to another port

( Its difficult to believe an east coast ship only visited Hull to London and not visit Newcastle or east Scotland ports)

George Hood son of John Hood baptism 1786 Gateshead was an only child baptism by a John Hood +/- 10 years ( could be an indicator George was a son of a visiting John Hood [mariner ?] to the area--Clue ?))

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Marriages

John Hood widower of Scarborough  to Sarah Hammond widow  1778 (London) (Sarah could have died 1778 to 1781)
or
John HOOD (widower ??) & Martha DEAN, Banns, Scarborough - 1781.

(Dean surname as Ships  'Industry' and 'Leeds Packett' owner sounds a clue)

 Mark,

Was the first encounter of John Hood (J Hood on landtax)in Selby 1781
Re: Martha Dean marriage banns Scarborough 1781
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Did you ever find a burial for Elizabeth Hood pre 1778 (Sarah Hammond marriage 1778) wife of the other John Hood mariner born 1722 Scarborough.

Extract snippet from the 1778 Hammond marriage bond allegation ' John Hood mariner widower of Scarborough '

Signatures of John Hood could alter over the years as there are slight similarities in the signatures in the John Hood Leppington 1763 and Hammond marriages or bonds allegations

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave and All

I managed to get a copy of a letter written on 23rd July 1945 by a J. W. Chapman of 34 Calder Road, Blackpool, N.S. to Altus Hayes, a US relative, via Richard P Taylor.

Original post in 2017
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783146.msg6377882#msg6377882

It seems Altus Hayes managed to speak with Miss Mabel North of 4 Hampton Road, Doncaster, England, before she died in 1956 and scribbled some notes on the letter, that the "Hoods of Selby England - Shipbuilders" ...

Miss Mabel Lydia North, of that address was the Daughter of John Cooper North.

Mary Ellen Hood was the Daughter of James Hood and Sarah Arundel of Selby.

14th April 1873 at Selby
Mary Ellen Hood, 20, Spinster, of Ousegate Selby, Daughter of James Hood, Tallow Chandler, married 
Arthur Chapman, 22, Printer, of Balsall Heath, Son of William Martin Chapman, Retired Tradesman,
at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, at Selby, by Licence.
Present as witnesses:- Elizabeth Cook Hood ; George Chapman.

Mary Ellen Hood might be the Mary Ellen Chapman (witness) with John Cooper North, on the 1901 William Martin Chapman (Father: Arthur Chapman, dec'd), to Charlotte Wilson North, Marriage Certificate (but I have not checked when Mary Ellen died).

Not Foster's Yard at Selby
Samuel Gutteridge of Selby took out a Licence on 1st December 1805 to marry Mary Foster, despite a search we could find no Hood link to Foster, Ship Builder, at Selby.

However, John Foster and Joseph Foster, Merchants and Copartners of Selby are in the London Gazette 29th June 1816 relating to a Commission of Bankruptcy and the Assignees want to continue the business of Ship Builders in the Yard at Selby. They also have premises at Knottingley (6th August 1816 Notice).

In the 1841 Census, Ship Yard, Selby,
Samuel Gutteridge 53, Ship Builder, Y.
Mary Gutteridge 60, Y.
Ann Carr, 15, F.S. Y.

Their neighbour was
John Wilkinson, 50, Stone Agent, Y.
Mary Wilkinson 39 [formerly Arundel], Y.
Sarah Wilkinson [Arundel] 10 Y.
Sarah Wilkinson, 18, F.S., Y.
Jane Bateman, 5, Ind., Y.

When R. P. Taylor, last made contact c.2017, he seemed very interested in the Arundel side and Jackson, as he had also found and got copies of the Selby M.I. Inscriptions, relating to those.

Thomas Jackson was not a Ship Builder, he was a Sail Maker - see Pigot's Directory 1828-9 for Selby [where we have been misprinted as Wood, fortunately I have a Survey taken about 5 years earlier for Selby].

Shepherd's Ship Yard at Selby
Alexander Shepherd, Shipwright, of Selby, who was Bankrupted (notice in the London Gazette 1805) he personally didn't marry a Hood.

Then this 1791 map appeared at Northallerton Record Office which shows Fosters Raff Yard (a Timber Yard) and also Shepherd's Yard on the Banks of the Ouse at Selby.

I managed to find a newspaper Sale Notice dated 1800 which links Alexander Shepherd's Ship Yard at Selby to James Shepherd, Ship Builder of Hull.

1781 at Fishlake by Licence
James Shepherd married Ann Steemson, and into another Ship Building family of Fishlake.

1786 Birth of Elizabeth Shepherd at Selby
James and Ann Shepherd, Shipcarpenter, first children were recorded in the Selby Dades Register, which stated he was the Son of Alexander Shepherd of Whitby, Shipcarpenter and Elizabeth his Wife.

On 25th November 1735 at Whitby, Yorkshire ...
Alexander SHEPHERD married Elizabeth HORD.

One of their other Sons was recorded in the Whitby Presbyterian Register.

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My late Grandmother made reference to the pronunciation 55 years ago and made it sound like Hoard and also made reference to Hood being pronounced Who-ood and spelt Hood.

My late Grandmother also said we were related to the Stephenson surname.

When Ann Steemson was named in the Selby Birth Register (Birth of Elizabeth Shepherd) she has been named as Ann Stephenson of Fishlake, but her name at marriage to James Shepherd was Ann Steemson and their Ship Building business at Fishlake was Steemson.

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Also a William Hord witnessing a marriage of Robert Harper & Frances Marsh in 1797 at Selby, previously mentioned.

Regarding the Pearson surname (in one of James Hood's childrens' names), I have found a 1790 Thomas Bromley, Sailor 23 = Elizabeth Pearson, Spinster 20 (Dau'r of James Pearson & Mary France of Fishlake,  Dau'r of Richard France of Fishlake, Farmer), Marriage at Selby, where both Alex: Shepherd and Elizabeth Shepherd, are witnesses with a Marey Harley.

Thomas Bromley came up when following the three marriages of a Mary Turner, forward in time from Doncaster to Thorne, but no evidence to link her as a sister to Charles Turner of South Kirkby and no Death / Burial found, yet.

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On 12th September 1717 at Scarborough on the same day (probably a double wedding) ...

Jno SPENCER married Mary BARTON.
Tho: SHEPHERD married Fortune SPENCER.

Fortune Shepherd died and was buried at Scarborough.

I managed to get a scan of a Shepherd of Scarborough Will and his Sons lived at Whitby

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark

There could be other surnames of relatives of Hood's of Selby, who were ship builders by marriage! but there was no Hood's of Selby as far as we known of that were Shipbuilders. Therefore one would think the lady was wrong who wrote in the notes on that letter saying ------ quote -   "Hoods of Selby England - Shipbuilders" ...  - unquote.

Also you said in another thread of late, that 'George Hood of Selby' (As if he lived there all his life) referred in deeds, but that would be records after 1812 in Selby as there is no records of George Hood in Selby before 1812 yet found as far as I'm aware ?

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave and All

Only that William Hord, witness at a 1797 Selby Marriage.

If the Hoods at Selby were Nonconformists and the early part of the Selby Registers are known to be missing the Hood or Hord are unlikely to show up.

When George Hood of Selby applied to be a Quaker in 1836, they kind of said you're a Conscientious chap, but we don't want you as a Member of our Society.

There was something he wouldn't give up or something wrong somewhere?

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However I should like to find out about this Mary Turner (if she did go on to remarry two Licences give a Birth range 1781 to 1783) and when where she died?

1809 At Doncaster on 20th June
Banns of Marriage between John Pearson & Mary Turner both of this Parish were Published June the 4th 11th & 18th.
The said John Pearson & Mary Turner were married June the 20th 1809 by me R. Steele Curate.

Both signed.

Those Present: Wm Smith ; Mary Pickurn ; Wm Palmer ; Last signature too faint.

Mary Pickurn (witness) possibly Mary Pickburn?

1812 a Mary Pickburn married James Brock, at Cantley, but just thrown in and Mary Pickurn, witness might be anybody.

Two children baptised at Doncaster seem to link to Mary Pearson (previously Turner):-

Doncaster 26th Sept 1810
Mary Daughter of John Pearson, Grocer, born July 29th, Mother: Mary Turner.

Doncaster 9th January 1814
Ann D. of Mary Pearson, Doncaster, Widow.

Neither of the above children traced.

1811
John and Mary Pearson, Grocer of Doncaster.

John Pearson died 1811, York Herald 7th December., states he was a Grocer of Doncaster.

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Note
Not to be confused with John and Mary Pearson of Doncaster, Plumber & Glazier, having children overlapping with the above.

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A possible for Mary Pearson the Widow and the Ann Pearson baptised Doncaster 9th January 1814 might lead to? ...

1814 Thorne 21st November, by Licence 20th Nov'r
George Staniland of this Parish Bachelor 32 of Thorne Quay to
Mary Pearson of this Parish, Widow, 30 (abt 1784)
Present (wits) C. Marshall ; g Staniland

[The nearest symbol for first fancy letter is a small g but could be other letters]

1816 Burial Thorne
George Staniland, Thorne Quay, Buried Feb 16, Age 33 years.

1816 Death Duty
George Staniland, Executor Mary Staniland of Thorne Waterside P: York, Vol 3, Fol. 820.

1816 Probate
George Staniland of P. of Thorne, Prerog Ac T 800

Looks like his Estate value was £800

They lived on Thorne Waterfront, two children baptised separately in 1816

Both children died:-

1818 Thorne
Emma D. of Geo: & Mary Staniland, Thorne Quay, Buried August 30. 3 years.

1821 Thorne
Mary D. of George and Mary Staniland, Thorne Quay, Buried Feb'y 4. 4 years.

1821 Thorne 25th December by Licence
James Crampton of Fishlake, Widower [46 yrs]
Mary Staniland of this Parish, Widow [40 yrs]
Present (wits): John Whaley ; Elizabeth Bromley.

1829 Fishlake, Yorkshire, Burials
James Crampton, Thorne Quay, Sept 15, 54 years.

Raised Grave at Fishlake says in part (part out of the photograph):-

of the above James Crompton
died Oct'r 18th 1818 Aged __ Years.
Also Martha Crompton Wife
of James Crompton Jun. died
July 10th 1820 Aged _9 Years.
Also James Crompton Husband
to the Above Martha Crompton
died Sep'tr 15th 1829 Aged 54 Years.

Question
But I wonder what happened to Mary Crampton, I presume she was left a Widow and did not pre-decease James Crampton (aka James Crompton)?

She does also look favourite for possibly being the Mary Turner, who married John Pearson, Grocer of Doncaster and ended up a Widow by 7th December 1811.

Or did she remarry or die at Doncaster as Mary Pearson?

Mark

[dobfarm]

Quote from your last post:

Doncaster 26th Sept 1810
Mary Daughter of John Pearson, Grocer, born July 29th, Mother: Mary Turner.

Unquote:-

I wonder if the John Pearson was a grocer and cooper like John Spencer of Selby died 1809

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Assuming Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner buried 1803 in Selby was the mother of George Hood of Selby. Her birth surname ( maiden name? ) could be surnames of shipbuilders of Selby or various marriages witnesses surnames.

(Why I say this is: _ My maternal granddad Herbert Tidmarsh , I could not find his birth certificate by his death age 1957 age 90 giving 1867 as his year of birth, I found his baptism 1868 in Wales village (Not Wales country) near Rotherham Yorkshire also his parents marriage in 1867 in the same Wales village church mother came from Bolsover Derbyshire and father came from Balsall Warwickshire who moved to Yorkshire to find work in iron mines. On censuses post 1867 it was it always stated granddad was born in Bolsover Derbyshire. After many years of looking for his birth certificate, the 1939 register gave granddads birth date, 2nd Nov 1866. Well off to Chesterfield register office I went and asked if a child called Herbert was born around the date Nov 1866 and bingo!!! there was a child called Herbert Cut born 2nd Nov 1866 Bolsover to Mary Cut father unknown registered 'Jan to March Qtr1867 ', My great granddad Samuel Tidmarsh married Mary Cutt in Wales village 1867 Yorkshire

So I don't know if Samuel Tidmarsh was my granddad Herbert Tidmarsh's father of not even though granddad took his surname. Samuel had moved to Bolsover after his sister Ann Tidmarsh had married a man called Davison (from Bolsover ) in Balsall near Birmingham then moved to live in Bolsover near Chesterfield by 1851 census along with their brother Thomas Tidmarsh and aforesaid Samuel joined them years later in Bolsover Derbyshire.)

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave and All

Regarding your question Dave a few posts ago.

It would seem that the first available Land Tax online for Selby is 1781, so I cannot say if Mr Hood / J. Hood or John Hood, was at Selby before this, or not.

But we do have an advert of 1778 but that does not prove the whereabouts of John Hood, Mariner of Selby.

However, we found John Hood in the Hull Muster Rolls from 1781 to 1786 on the "Industry" born Scarborough and Abode is Selby.

Next he is on the "Jane" which seems to be Staniland's vessel.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.0

On page 8 of that Thread there are some unrelated and related snippets and throughout that thread.

When we went to Hull, even though John Hood claimed to be Master and they have more recent handwritten Indexes (which may be incomplete) for Boat names and Masters (Masters only) we couldn't find John Hood in the Indexes 1778, to look him up in the Muster Rolls and therefore could not get his Abode in 1778.

I can't recall (without finding the notes) if we looked for Joseph Dean or not, but Dean's was a separate vessel in the Hull Payments book.


Regarding Hull, there were at least six vessels all called Industry in the Payments Index by Vessel name alphabetically.

We only photographed a page of the Payments Index, but it would have been useful to have photographed the whole book with hindsight!

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We might be able to rule out the John Hood sailing from Belfast (and other places in Ireland) to Liverpool 1770s, because some years later in 1796 John Hood, Master of The Elizabeth Lighter, is advertising that boat at Belfast for Sale by Auction at the Exchange, 18th January 1796.

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Interesting, John Pearson, Grocer, at Doncaster.

A John Pearson of Selby, Grocer, went Bankrupt at Selby early 1800s, I think 1801 from memory.

Name and trade a coincidence perhaps.

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I can find no link Hood of Selby link to any Shepherd, Shipbuilder nor Shipwright at Selby.

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I think the late Miss Mabel L. North of Doncaster may be thinking of Thomas Gouldsbrough, a Sail Maker, at a Selby Shipyard who died about 1840.

Just looked it up, several of George Hood's Sons, took over Mrs Mary Gouldsbrough's Mortgage and her Copyhold premises were transferred at the Manor of Selby Court.

1805 at Sculcoates
Thomas Gouldsbrough, Widower, of Selby married
Mary Russell, Widow, of this Parish.
Wits: Mary Burton ; Joseph Burton

1792 Selby by Banns
William Russell of Selby, Sailor, 29, Bachelor, married
Mary Burton, otp, 20
Wits: Henry Popplewell ; George Tarbotton

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I tried Mary Crampton death ages in the Civil Index from September 1837 onward and matching those to burials and then the Census none stood out as having probably 3 husbands.

Mary Crompton were too numerous.

Then she may have died before September 1837, or remarried or took a boat from Thorne Quay and gone anywhere, even got another boat abroad.

Perhaps in the future someone researching James and Mary Crampton of Thorne Quay and Fishlake will discover her and come across what I have posted and reply on here in future months or years even.

I can't even confirm if Mary Pearson of Doncaster, Widow of the Grocer, John Pearson, was the one who married George Staniland of Thorne, Yorkshire in 1814.

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark,

So maybe Miss Mabel L. North of Doncaster associated Hood's with Shipbuilders with Sarah Hood nee Russell wife of George - connection?.


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If the Hoods at Selby were Nonconformists and the early part of the Selby Registers are known to be missing the Hood or Hord are unlikely to show up.

When George Hood of Selby applied to be a Quaker in 1836, they kind of said you're a Conscientious chap, but we don't want you as a Member of our Society.

There was something he wouldn't give up or something wrong somewhere?

Unquote;-

Probably that bossy Quaker daughter in law of George had nattered him to join their Quaker faith but had not done her homework right - as something had gone wrong. 

Dave 

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave and All

Thanks Dave, I have been looking at the following.

Of course George Hood of Selby, not only has his own Tannery - occupied by Robert Wilkinson ; William Penrose (a Tanner), Thomas Bedford, Mary Farrington a Rope Manufacturer and Richard Nutt.

George Hood is also running a Tannery owned by William Procter, at Selby, in 1839 for a short time,

I wondered why? Has George Hood not got enough on his plate with his own Tannery and two Malt Kilns (one at Gowthorpe and one at Wren Lane) and his Brewing?

Hood and Procter seem to know each other quite well as though they are family relatives perhaps?

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1815, 1st December
William Massey 23 marries Mary Procter 22, in Selby Church and has a Quaker Testimony of Denial against him. This must be William Massey, Junior.

1836 Petre and Others to Hood
A purchase Deed Memorial of 1836 I have - Lord Petre and Others to George Hood of Selby,
William Massey and Jonathan Hutchinson are used as Trustees on the Release.

I have seen Manor property sold before (it had already been disentailed because it was no longer passing to a Son on death, an entail) and was sold to the new owner using Trustees. The Trustees in that other sale I researched were related to the new owner.

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Procter, Massey and George Hood are related its seems by marriages.

The Ann Hord, marrying John Estill, in 1811 in the Chapel at Cloughton, Parish of Scalby is an ancestor of mine.

Mark