George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / James Cook in W

[BushInn1746]

Hopefully, in two weeks time, we'll have found something in the Petre of Dunkenhalgh records (not catalogued), about George Hood (which include unspecified records and dates from York / Selby).

It was worth a check, but sadly can confirm this large collection of Petre DDPt records mainly relate to Lancashire. Deposited by Captain R. C. Petre of Tunworth Down, Basingstoke, Hants. Three accessions in 1951 and 1955.

A Petre family member must have died circa 1800 and Petre in Lancashire must have assisted with the Petre Yorkshire Estates at and surrounding Selby, for a few years.

There were just two thin Yorkshire Accounts Books (with references to the Selby area) with names and their amounts owed to about 1807 (amongst 7 archive boxes containing early 19th Century Lancashire Accounts), but obviously from the short lists of names of Yorkshire & Selby Tenants, not all Tenants were listed. There were a few notes of expenses and disbursements up to about 1818 mentioning Selby.
In DDPt 1 / Box 16 ) Selby and various places around Selby where
In DDPt 30 / Box 6 ) Lord Petre held Manors or had Tenants

In the book in DDPt 30 / Box 6 1801 - 1802 the following places were mentioned:-
Selby, folio 2
Hambleton
Barlby Bank
Selby, folio 3
Brayton Thorp & Burton folio 4
Hambleton
Carlton
Hillam
Monkfrystone
Cowthorp

Selby and many of the above places near to Selby were also noted in the Petre / Selby collection in Copyhold Estate records (Hull History Centre).

In DDPt 30 / Box 4 Misc. Rentals (numerous in bundles)
Lancs 1790 & 1789 (folded document). There were some summary money totals only, for Selby, Gateford & Burton, written on the outer of a folded document.

No Gibson or Hood mentioned.

Regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

Amongst the collection of DDPt Petre Lancashire Accounts seen, were also the Accounts of Paythorn and Craven in Yorkshire.

Something with names and ages recorded (which may be of use to other Family Historians) was in:-

DDPt 30. / Box 8
An Account of the number and names of the Lives living with their ages in the different Leases Granted by the Rt. Hon. Lady Stourton on her Lancashire Estates and also Paythorn and Craven in Yorkshire. Taken in ... 1781.

DDPt 22. (paper catalogue reference, not seen) listed Paythorn in Craven, Co. of York, Call Book (nearest date to my interest was 1786 - 1794).

The above is not exhaustive, but just the odd quick note made, whilst looking for Selby items.

DDPt 45. VARIOUS COUNTIES (I noted the two of interest to me, there were others)
Petre under YORK
Selby and Thorpe Willoughby 1612 - 1687.

Petre under WARWICK
Chulverscoton & Potters Coton 1634 [Chilvers Coton]
Nuneaton 1660.
Throkudton n.d.

DDPt 23/126
There was a Draft Schedule of Deeds & Documents belonging to Henry Petre Esq in the poss'on of Mr Leo'd Hicks of Grays Inn August 1829

(I noted it, as a Jane Hood of Brandenburg House, wrote complaining of the Queen's treatment to various persons, including the Earl Marshal of England.)

Listing various Indentures between 1788 to 1829. One document of 1822 referred to the Most Noble Bernard Edward Duke of Norfolk thereof Earl Marshal of England and Henry Howard Esq.

Regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

When George Hood purchased his premises and those of John Green in Wren Lane, Selby, in 1835 the sellers are listed as:-

Right Honorable William Henry Francis Lord Petre and the
Honourable Henry Charles Howard Earl of Surrey and the
Honourable Edward Robert Petre of Stapleton Park in the County of York, but now of Brussels.*

* When looking for the Estate Records of the Hon. Edward Petre / Edward Robert Petre of Stapleton Park, near Pontefract, it would seem that these documents could of possibly been destroyed, as it is claimed (unverified source) that Stapleton Park was sold as early as 1833 to Mr Barton.

This was John Watson Barton of Stapleton.

The Revd Charles Augustus Hope, appointed by Order in Chancery, 29 May 1876, to account for the rents and profits of the real estates of John Watson Barton, testator named in pleadings Barton v Barton.

One Archive listing surviving Hope Barton records including Stapleton, are at Lincolnshire Archives, but no reference to records of Petre.

http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplaySearchResults.aspx?oid=699630&mode=c

Because three individuals were involved in the sale of premises at Wren Lane, Selby, it could mean documentation of Wren Lane, Selby, mentioning George Hood, is in another collection.

Essex Archives who hold some Petre documents, say they don't have anything to help me.

I'll keep looking, but what was interesting, was that the Roger Hood of Selby, 1727 Will, mentioning property and an Orchard at Ouzegate, Selby (Ousegate, Selby) turned up in the Howard-Vyse collection. I also have a copy of the Probate Bundle (online), too.

I had a paid search done, to try and trace a possible devolution of this Ousegate, Selby, property using the named beneficiaries (married sisters of Roger Hood). One person mentioned in the Will coincidentally lived at Wren Lane, Selby. However, the answer to me seemed inconclusive and it left me with the feeling of a Howard link regarding Hood's property.

Researchers traced the reference to another Will, but there is no such Will listed in the Yorkshire Probate Register, another mystery.

Like, the origin of Jane Hood buried Selby 1803 aged 65, the Roger Hood of Selby property devolution is another Hood of Selby mystery.

Regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

Searching 'William Henry Francis Petre', one of the owners of the Petre property sold to George Hood in Wren Lane, Selby is giving:-
Ingatestone, Essex, alias Ging Petre (Ginge Petre mentioned in the Lancashire collection).
Thorndon Hall / Thorndon Park, Ingrave, Essex and also known as the Manor of West Horndon.

Also reference to Walmesley in the Lancashire Petre docs.

This is giving Essex Archives, also Devon Archives is showing Petre records:-

Essex Archives - D/DP T329
Deeds of Walmsley family property in Surrey, Yorkshire and Lancashire

Manor of Burstow, alias Burstowe Lodge, in Burstow, Surrey; manor of Colthorpe and Cowthrop Hall in Cowthorpe; manors of Paithorne, Selby, Brayton, Thorpe, Fryston and Hillam, Wilshoppe alias Wilsthroppe and Tockwith; and house and land in Tockwith, Bilton, all in Yorkshire; and Goosnargh Mill at Goosnargh, Lancashire.

Dates 1427 - 1796

A bit too early.

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John Hood [my 3 x Gt. Grandfather] at a Selby Dinner, is mentioned as one of those giving a Toast to the new Lord of the Selby Tenantry, Lord and Lady Londesborough.

An article just found indicates that Lord Londesborough has acquired the remaining Petre Estate at Selby.

If Londesborough acquired the Selby Estate records along with the remaining Manor of Selby Estate, the record collections of Lord Londesborough (one at Hull History Centre) might hold something, for 1806 to 1815.

http://www.hull.ac.uk/arc/collection/landedfamilyandestatepapers/londesborough.html
refers to Medieval records.

Last year we could only find tucked away in a Manor of Selby Court Roll, the later Hoods Admission to the Manor of Selby, in respect of Byfield, Selby, dated 21st January 1842.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6015305#msg6015305

Petre collections
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F24186

Regards Mark


Extracts of the images of 1823 featured on this thread (previous page) were found at the Selby rubbish dump in 1939.

[BushInn1746]

My Sister's Daughter (Niece's) DNA is apparently a close link to HUTCHINS and SPENCER and a lady is already in contact asking my Niece if she is connected to these two surnames, along with some other surnames.

There is a HUTCHINS and SPENCER on my Mother's side.

However, our Hutchins & Spencer were together - Frederick St Leger Hutchins and Annie Spencer (marr. 1901). He was born on the day of the St Leger horse race, which still causes a chuckle today!


However, the DNA response seems to have her Hutchins and Spencer at different generations, from the brief reply.

Regards Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark,

Your fathers DNA link back gens to George Hood d 1845 Selby being one generation 50% purity closer than your own DNA (you are 50% of your mums DNA), have you considered asking him if he's interested in going down this route of DNA ancestry. ?

[BushInn1746]

Thanks dobfarm

Until now, I've been highly sceptical of DNA.

Obviously, because my Niece has done this, the subject will now be the subject of family discussion, no doubt.

Two of our Hutchins of Savernake, Wilts, told Census Enumerators they were Ag Labourers.

But Death Certificates paint a different account. The family historian must be very careful when they see Ag Lab in the Census. It may simply mean they were reticent to reveal their real situation, to a Government Census.

Over a 100 years ago, there always had to be 10 shillings continually on the Hutchins Mantle piece, to pay for the Doctor, just in case.

Frederick St Leger H, was a Butler and Annie lived, at Bockleton for the Prescott-Decie Family, one of their infant Sons (a Twin) died of Convulsions in 1912 and their employers the Prescott-Decie's sent the Hutchins family away to the coast for a little holiday, including my Great Aunt the other Twin who lived nearly to be 100. What a kind thing!

F St L H became ill, the upset of losing a Son probably didn't help. A photo shows him Wheelchair bound. He was a paraplegic, poss with a Central Nervous System problem, dying early half of 20th Century. His Widow Annie held me as a baby.

The Hutchins photos are very interesting.

I may only have cheap household items, but their family photos and things like a small box which once held a piece of wedding cake with an address and postage stamp on, are irreplaceable.

No jewellery, it was all stolen a while ago!

Ted his Son went blind, learnt Braille, but got his sight back in one eye. My consiousness changes without warning, naturally my Consultants were also interested in my family, as its a neurological condition. I was knocked to the floor at Coventry Technical College at 16/17 with a single blow to the head and I also get the same, as the after effect of that. A very brave Canteen lady intervened and got me up and walked me inside a building. I ought to have been sent to hospital as one side of my face was blue / black when my mum saw me later.

This is why I had to wait months for a short window in my health, before we could go to Lancs.

I like this hobby as I can pick it up and put it down.

Kind regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

I managed to get all the way back to [John] Hutchins of Lye Farm, Savernake. Been looking at all the docs today.

Seem to recall John Hutchins was a Farm Bailiff, but very strangely couldn't sign his own name. A Manorial Estate 'Steward' was usually a Solicitor at the Estate Office. A Bailiff sometimes under the Steward was usually responsible for Managing the Tenants and the Farm Estate.

Yes, Henry Hutchins, married a Crocker.

I'll have to eat my words, re DNA!!!

Regards Mark

[..claire..]

Marriage was at Mildenhall 10 Feb 1827 after Banns

John Hutchins OTP and a bachelor
Eleanor Coward spinster of Burbage

He left his mark, she signed

Witnesses:
William Hammond
Hannah Hammond
Mary Jane Holloway