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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / James Cook in W
« Reply #1144 on: Monday 28 April 25 22:49 BST (UK) »
In the two 1815 Marriage Notices ...

The couple assert that they are "both of that place."
One is featured below.

The only time George Hood of Selby, got involved with town life was when he was one of those elected Overseer of the Poor in 1838, but the Vestry Minutes at Northallerton, do not qualify a place of Birth for any of those elected.

Mr Joseph Dobson, Chairman Resolved That Messrs. George Hood, Joseph Twist, William Staniland and George Richardson be and are hereby appointed to serve the Office of Overseer of the Poor for the ensuing year.

NYAS didn't seem to have the Application Forms for the Election of the Overseers, if there was one.

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Re: George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / James Cook in W
« Reply #1145 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 09:47 BST (UK) »
In the two 1815 Marriage Notices ...

The couple assert that they are "both of that place."
One is featured below.

The only time George Hood of Selby, got involved with town life was when he was one of those elected Overseer of the Poor in 1838, but the Vestry Minutes at Northallerton, do not qualify a place of Birth for any of those elected.

Mr Joseph Dobson, Chairman Resolved That Messrs. George Hood, Joseph Twist, William Staniland and George Richardson be and are hereby appointed to serve the Office of Overseer of the Poor for the ensuing year.

NYAS didn't seem have the Application Forms for the Election of the Overseers, if there was one.

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Hi Mark

Clutching at straws 'I KNOW!' but you never know.

Do you think your George Hood taking over Richard Gibson's bankrupt stock would have entailed any court of law legal documentations that may have had George's 'parish of birth' on. (It wasn't just parish poor people under parish poor law or relief that had parish of birth was recorded (ID today)- it was all the people in the parish as I understand it. ) ???

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I don't know if you have seen these records or not in the past ?

While searching records on line for Selby Abbey on the web search- I came across (as below)

SELBY. ADMISSION REGISTER AND ACCOUNT BOOK OF A CHARITY SCHOOL FUNDED BY THE AMICABLE SOCIETY (WYL703)
Date   1758-1802

https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=LC01809

In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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« Reply #1146 on: Sunday 04 May 25 20:21 BST (UK) »


Hi Mark

Clutching at straws 'I KNOW!' but you never know.

Do you think your George Hood taking over Richard Gibson's bankrupt stock would have entailed any court of law legal documentations that may have had George's 'parish of birth' on. (It wasn't just parish poor people under parish poor law or relief that had parish of birth was recorded (ID today)- it was all the people in the parish as I understand it. ) ???

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I don't know if you have seen these records or not in the past ?

While searching records on line for Selby Abbey on the web search- I came across (as below)

SELBY. ADMISSION REGISTER AND ACCOUNT BOOK OF A CHARITY SCHOOL FUNDED BY THE AMICABLE SOCIETY (WYL703)
Date   1758-1802

https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=LC01809

Richard Gibson, of Selby, Cooper

Reviewing the newspaper notices, I did notice that Gibson's 'Meeting of Creditors', was only advertised in the London Gazette, then in London the day before, and on the day of the Meeting

Making me wonder if Londoners were pressing for the Bankruptcy of Gibson, but no clues survive.

It is a great pity, many of the files were not kept, including the file of R. G.

Not long after c.1810, some of the publications printed by publishers, named the person or company filing the bankruptcy.

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SELBY.
THE AMICABLE SOCIETY ADMISSION REGISTER AND ACCOUNT BOOK OF A CHARITY SCHOOL
Date   1758-1802

Thank you very much Dave for the above find.

Because other Schools records don't seem to survive this early.

I have paid a researcher to look at this Charity Schools document

Maudland Turner

I discovered that one of Maudland Hood's, Turner In-Laws family, Joseph Ward, and William Turner Ward of Wakefield, were involved in Court Cases
 ...

https://vlex.co.uk/vid/joseph-ward-and-william-806979357

WARD v. WARD
1842

WARD v. MOSER
1842

WARD v. MOSER
1843

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=William%20Turner%20Ward&_dss=range&_sd=1820&_ed=1850&_ro=any&_st=adv&_hb=tna

I think this case is linked too ...
WARD v. AUDLAND
1837
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9396261


I think this is the Will that is linked ...

Will of Reverend William Whitelock, Rector, Clerk of Sulhampstead , Berkshire
15 November 1836

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D284132


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« Reply #1147 on: Tuesday 06 May 25 21:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark,

I hope this researcher finds something for you, its George Hood's good education that baffles me, its possible he was self taught as a businessman but he needed a sound good education to do it. ?

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« Reply #1148 on: Sunday 18 May 25 22:19 BST (UK) »
The Commissioners had issued Richard Gibson with a Certificate of Conformity in March 1810, showing he had conformed, so the Legal process regarding the bankruptcy was over and it seems Gibson continued during 1810 and into 1811 at least (according to the Selby Land Tax, showing him as Occupier of premises).

GIBSON

Mr Cullen for Pet[itioner]
S. Romilly for Bkt [Bankrupt]
Let Certificate pass
Liberty to call a Meeting at expense of Pet.

Cullen and Romilly belonged to the Commissioners, it seems one acted for the Petitioner and the other for the Bankrupt.

We think:-

S. Romilly might be Sir Samuel Romilly? Sir Samuel was a Lawyer
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1828-02-07/debates/ea35061b-544e-45cf-8b5f-b4cad6694458/StateOfTheCourtsOfCommonLaw

Mr Cullen "a Chancery barrister of high eminence, who had been for more than twenty years a Commissioner of Bankrupts".   

Quote regarding Mr Cullen, from:-
Bankruptcy Court Bill, Volume 7: debated on Friday 30 September 1831
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1831-09-30/debates/d81c7dcc-d580-46a2-a01a-9c52a413b631/BankruptcyCourtBill

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More bad news, although James Collison [James Collinson] went to the Amicable Society School, at Selby, my ancestor George Hood must have gone to Blue Cap or another school.

It seems pupils were admitted to the Amicable Society School at Selby between 7 and 9 years of age. Two pupils were expelled on the page image sent, some left of their own accord, some went to Apprenticeship or to their Father's business.

The researcher listed all those with the forename George at the Amicable Society School and the nearest to fit George Hood's age was George Ball and his Birth and Baptism is recorded.

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« Reply #1149 on: Monday 19 May 25 22:30 BST (UK) »
I have just realised that in June 1999 (26 years ago) I was back to this George Hood 1847 Birth, and his parents marriage John Hood & Sarah Richardson at Sculcoates the year before in 1846.

I have managed, with the help of Claire (who found 2 Wills) to get back to the 1740s on the Richardson side, but I had 6 Wills in the end.

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« Reply #1150 on: Wednesday 28 May 25 11:17 BST (UK) »
At the risk of sending everyone off on a wild goose chase, I think the Cockins of Luddington, Lincs may be worth a closer inspection. 

The bondsman for George Hood's marriage was a miller, and I noticed that in the same year there was a James Cockin Jr baptised to William & Elizabeth Cockin in Luddington.  William was a Miller.

Tracing him back I believe William was baptised at Luddington on 01 Feb 1790, the son of William Cockin & Sarah Maw who married in 1788, and that William Jr married Elizabeth Gelder in 1810.

Taking it back a generation further, William Sr's parents could be either:
a) Robert Cockin X Elizabeth Gibson, 1760, Luddington, (I believe Elizabeth was local)
    1762 William
    1764 Robert   

b) William Cockin X Elizabeth Leggott, 1756, Belton In Axholme
    1757 William
    1767 Elizabeth (Althorpe)
    1773 James (Althorpe)

However, at the same time that James Cocking was being baptised in Althorpe, a James & Ann Cockin were baptising children in Luddington:

1776 Mary Easton Cockin – died same year
1777 Robert Cockin – died same year

Unfortunately I'm not sure what happened to James & Ann after this, but it does seem to establish that James was a name that ran through this branch of Cockins.

Returning to William the miller b1790, he had several children in Luddington, but by 1819 had moved to London where he became a victualler & licensee of the Crown & Anchor on Paul St, Finsbury.   

His son James Cockin (born 1815) was buried at St Andrew, Holborn on 4 Mar 1819. 
Another son, William Henry Cockin b1823, was buried in 1824 at St Botolph, with the address given as “Little Brittain”

William & Elizabeth entered the Licenced Victuallers Asylum on Asylum Road, Old Kent Road in 1858, with William dying there 4 Dec 1864, and Elizabeth 22 Mar 1871.

A William Cockin with land at Loddington has been mentioned previously & is almost certainly part of the same wider family - reply #1  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0

1765 Luddington
James Cookin of the Parish of Luddington married Ann Easton
Wits: Henry Harris ; Edward Marshall

East Riding Archives

Harrison & Broadley of Hull and Welton
DDHB/52 Welton [in date order]

DDHB/52/574
Bond: James Harrison of Whitby, Shipowner to William Easton 1793

DDHB/52/575
Releases to William Easton of legacies under will of James Cockling of Luddington co. Lincs 15 Feb - 26 April 1802

DDHB/52/573
Will of William Easton of Welton, Gentleman, 28 March 1811

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=William%20Easton%20Welton&_ep=William%20Easton&_dss=range&_sd=1760&_ed=1840&_ro=any&_st=adv

So James Cookin ; Cockin ; Cocking also spelt Cockling of Luddington it seems, had married into the Easton family by the looks of it and looks to be linked to Easton of Welton by Marriage?

This is what seems to have happened to James Cookin:-

Stow Wills, Lincolnshire.

1795 - 97/63D
James Cocking of Luddington, Co. Lincs


Can't help this find below Robert & Mary Easton children of Elisabeth Easton alias Hood, the Father being John Hood

1742 Old Malton
Robert Son & Mary Daughter, Twin Bastard children of Elizabeth Easton were bap'd ye 9 day of February the supposed Father John Hood of this town
John Hood of this town & ye said Elisabeth Easton were married ye 16 day of March by three publication of Banns.


Mark

Added:
1773, 21st September, Welton, by Banns
William Easton of the Parish of Welton &
Mary Johnson of the same Parish
Wits: John Johnson ; Thos Barrow

Prerogative & Exchequer Court of York Probate
William Easton, Welton, 1813. [70yrs]
Mary Easton, Welton, 1818. [72 yrs]

Duty Register 1818 has
Mary Easton, Whitton, Lincolnshire, Mary Ann Johnson of Whitton, Lincolns'e, [
?  ] York.

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« Reply #1151 on: Friday 30 May 25 23:32 BST (UK) »
...

Hood's Will dated 1845
16th April 1846 Property Registered at Wakefield
Registration after the death of George Hood late of Selby, of Messuages Brewery, two Malt Kilns, Buildings, Workshops, Yards and Premises etc., in Wren Lane and Gowthorpe
and Also all other his messuages cottages lands tenements and real estate whatsover and wheresoever Together with the rights members and appurtenances to the same several hereditaments and premises respectively belonging ... 15th April 1846
 ...

Occupiers George Hood, Robert Wilkinson and Others
George Hood, Robert Wilkinson are Occupiers, at Gowthorpe (also in Will).


Mark

I am now wondering if I will be able to link by marriages - Thomas Bedford, born Cawood, Yorks (living in one of George Hood's houses at Gowthorpe, Selby in 1841) to Benjamin Wardle, the former husband of Arrabella Prince? (Arrabella went on to marry James Prince, Master Mariner of the Aid, who had a work association with John Hood of Selby, Master Mariner in 1788).


Occupiers of George Hood's three Tenements in 1841 at Gowthorpe, Selby, Yorkshire are:-

1841 Census

William Penrose, 30 Tanner, Y.
Elizabeth Penrose, 25, Y.
and Family.

Robert Wilkinson, 45, Seaman, Y.
Robert Wilkinson, 10, Y.
Ann Wilkinson, 50, Y.
and Family.

Thomas Bedford, 40, Joiner, Y.
Margaret Bedford, 40, Y.
and family, little Elizabeth Bedford, was 9 mos, Mother M.S. Hick.

1851 Census says Thomas Bedford, Joiner, at James Street, Selby, was born Cawood, Yorkshire.
1861 Census has similar year of Birth about 1800.


Thomas Bedford

Baptism, Cawood 1799
Thomas Son of William Bedford, Bricklayer and Sarah his Wife

Cawood 1789 by Banns
William Bedford of this Parish a Widower and a Bricklayer
Sarah Wilson of this Parish a Spinster
wits:- William Warcup ; Henry Healey

Cawood 1778 by Banns
William Bedford of this Parish Bricklayer
Ann Warcup of this Parish Spinster
wits:- Wm Clarkson ; Benj: Wardell [it looks like the surname of Benj: began with a W?]


Cawood and the Wardle Surname, link to James Prince

1760
Arabella Winteringham married Benjamin Wardle (wits:- George Winteringham ; John Harrison)

1791 Church Fenton by Licence 
Arabella Wardle, 47, of Cawood married John Sissons, 46, (wits:- Wm Squire ; Robert Winteringham)

1801 Cawood
James Prince of the Parish of Selby Gent and a Widower married
Arabella Sissons of this Parish a Widow
Present as wits:- Matthew Feathersone ; Wm Wilson

John Hood of Selby, Mariner, when he became Master of the Centurion, 1788, the Muster Rolls state the previous vessel of John Hood, was the Aid, Capt Prince 1788, so John Hood of Selby Mariner, had been on the vessel of James Prince, called Aid. Muster Roll of the Aid confirms James Prince was born Scarborough.

The Wife of James Prince, Arrabella (nee Winteringham) of Cawood had previously been married to a Benjamin Wardle.

Mary Ann Prince, the Daughter of James Prince, was a witness at the 1794 Marriage of Maudland Hood.

No direct relationship link by marriage proved yet from Bedford to Wardle at Cawood, but I will see if there was, as it would give another link by association from George Hood in 1841 to John Hood of Selby, Mariner?

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Incidentally, I have the 1849 Death Certificate of Robert Wilkinson of Selby, Mariner, which mentions Gowthorpe.

Mark