Please Help seeking Richard Knebel from Hackney

[rawiri]

Born - 8 June 1891 at Hackney, North East London, England.
Deceased - 1965 in Christchurch.   I am unsure of the actual date.
 can anyone help me track his ancestors

He enlisted into the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers Regiment on 10 December 1909.
His Regimental Number was 13801 and he reached the rank of Lance Corporal.
He saw service in England and in Europe during WW1, had 2 wound stripes and was awarded the following medals;

1914 – 15 Star
British War Medal
Victory Medal.


Born in Hackney 1891 I think his father had the dsame name Richard

cheers

[piedstilt]

Hi Rawiri,

This is a real toughie. There is no Richard Knebel on the whole of Ancestry, apart from one born in the 1960s (from memory) - and very few Knebels at all.

This might be stretching the facts to fit the theory just too far, but there is a London family of Knebels with father and son both named Rudolph, the son of about the right age, father born in Germany. Could there be a remote possiblity that with the anti-German sentiments at the time of WW1 that they both changed their names to Richard, in order to sound more English?

Nah - probably not. Worth a punt, I thought!

Cheers,

Ros

[piedstilt]

Hey Rawiri, I've just read manmac's reply to you in Armed Forces. Seems my idea was not as wacky as I thought!

Here they are in 91 and 01. Can't find them before that:

BIRTHS
Knebel, Rudolph William
September q, 1890
Bethnal Green , Greater London London Middlesex
1c/238



1891

45 Quinns Bldgs, Bethnal Green, London

Knebel, Rudolf   abt 1856   Germany   Head, boot finisher
Knebel, Annie   abt 1854   Germany   Wife
Knebel, Alfred   abt 1884   Whitechapel, London,    Son
Knebel, Elsie   abt 1882   Germany   Daughter
Knebel, Emma   abt 1887   Mile End, London   Daughter
Knebel, Henry   abt 1888   Bethnal Green, London   Son
Knebel, Rudolf   abt 1890   Bethnal Green, London   Son (9 mos old)


1901

45 Quinn’s Sq Bldgs, Bethnal Green, London

Rudolph Knebel   abt 1857    Deu Foreign Subject, Deu   Head, boot finisher
Annie Knebel   abt 1854    Deu Foreign Subject, Deu   Wife
Bertha Knebel   abt 1900    Bethnal Green, London   Daughter
Emma Knebel   abt 1887    Mile End, London   Daughter, waistcoat machinist
Henry Knebel   abt 1888    Bethnal Green, London   Son, errand boy
Maud Knebel   abt 1897    Bethnal Green, London   Daughter
Rudolph Knebel   abt 1891    Bethnal Green, London   Son

Guess you'll have to go to Germany to get further back. There is a Knebel family site (American) that traces their branch back to Germany. Could be a connection. Google it!

Ros

[rawiri]

interesting I saw thae Rudolph name in Bethnal records and thought the same, will pursue that line it actually makes sense
rawiri

[Angela K S]

Hello there Rawiri, I realise this thread was 9 years ago but I hope you read this message, I believe we share the same ancestors and that my great great grandfather was Rudolph Knebel - I can trace him back like this, my father's name is Peter, my grandfather's name is Arnold, then my great grandfather was Henry (full name seemed to be Henry William Rudolf Knebel), and great great grandfather Rudolph who emigrated from Germany to England in the 1800s, I believe his full name was Karl Heinrich Rudolph.  My grandfather also told me we had an ancestor who was a close friend of Goethe, and after research I believe this to be Karl Ludwig von Knebel, but whether he was a direct or indirect ancestor I have yet to find out!  It would be great to compare notes and family history, I am intrigued that Rudolph then moved to New Zealand, if you read this then please do get in touch ) , Angela Sharman nee Knebel, in the UK