John Joseph Ross and Catherine Ross (Langan)

[gaffy]

... It's a real shame the address is unreadable from the side of the record, but hopefully with the names, I'll be able to find a match to the address ... 

Hopefully other opinions will be forthcoming on this, but I'm not seeing an address like the other marriage entries, I'm seeing what looks like Married on Declaration followed underneath by the word Travellers, but if correct, I don't know what this means.

(For comparison / corroboration, the phrase Married on declaration also seems to appear on that same page against the marriage entry immediately below for Thos. Quinn and Anne Langan.)

[aghadowey]

I read it as Travellers also- probably Travellers of no fixed abode who married there?

[hallmark]

Gaffy, that's absolutely top notch research and I'm indebted to your assistance.  Thank you very much. 

It's a real shame the address is unreadable from the side of the record, but hopefully with the names, I'll be able to find a match to the address. 

Thanks again for your great work. 

this one? 

[jr9355]

Thank you very much for your replies. 

I was referring to this part. Now that 'travellers' has been mentioned, I can't see anything other than 'travellers'!

The story of this family is that after they were married, they had a child baptised in Belfast in 1855, then another in 1860 at the same St Patricks in Belfast but one was baptised in Dublin St Nicholas (without). They were on the Glasgow 1871 census and had two children whilst they were there.  The whole family then moved to Springfield, MA in the USA - apart from my g.g.granddad who stayed in Scotland.  However his poor relief form showed that he spent 7 months in America, probably visiting the family.

The family went on to do quite well in America, but my g.g.grandfather didn't fair so well and died of TB at 30 in Govan poorhouse.  His children were in and out of the poorhouse after his death.

Am I correct in thinking that the marriage is supposed to in the bride's hometown?  It would also make sense that the Langan's are there as witnesses/sponsors. 

Enc - an example from a few pages down.  It think it does say travellers. 

[Crystal_bowie]

Hi everyone,

I feel I've exhausted my abilities in researching this branch and hope that someone can shed some light on my position.

I have a John Joseph Ross (born approx 1837) who married a Catherine Langan (born approx 1835) and had 7 children. One of whom is my great, great, grandfather.
They were from Ireland and travelled from Belfast to Glasgow and lived there for some time, but they were here in Glasgow for the 1871 census and they also had a child whilst they were here.

For reasons currently unknown, the whole family except my great, great grandfather (also John Ross) moved to Springfield MA in the USA. 

Their children were:
Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross 1855–1911
Catherine Ross 1860–
John Ross 1863–1893
Elizabeth Ross 1870–1949
Nellie Ross 1872–1941
James Charles Ross 1877–1935
Jimmy Ross

I am aware of the Langan family of Co. Mayo and it seems that some on Ancestry have jumped the gun and decided that they were both of County Mayo - however, having searched poor law volumes in Scotland's main library, the Mitchell Library, I discovered records for my g.g. grandfather John Ross, who states that he is from Belfast. 

I don't even know where to begin to try and establish the location of their origins. 

I'm totally perplexed by Griffiths valuations and the PORNI site.  I'm hoping if I could find John Joseph Ross and Catherine Langan's marriage certificate, it would shed a great deal of light on where they were from. 

Conflicting information is the bane of my life.  For example, on US census information, one of John Joseph's children, Andrew, has listed that he was born in England.  I know for a fact that he was not!  I'm not sure why he's said this on the census.  There's also hugely conflicting information from Ancestry trees which are uncited and state parents being born before the birth of their children etc...

I'd be grateful for any input which can help me unravel the nonsense. 

Many thanks in advance.

James Ross.

Hi James, not sure if you’re still active here but Andrew Ross also appears in my tree ! Was just curious to know our relation as it could elucidate or help you and I trace our ancestry more accurately! Dm me if you’re interested.

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat, Crystal_bowie 

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