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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #180 on: Saturday 22 October 16 07:24 BST (UK) »
brigidmac, I think you might be right!

Sue, thank you.

Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #181 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 04:14 GMT (UK) »
Received a reply from State Records Authority, NSW. Nothing further comes out of it but I’ll post the response in full because it shows that they at least made an effort to address the question.

Thank you for your enquiry relating to death records.
 
Kindly note that we do not offer a research service on behalf of enquirers. However, in this case I have checked our online database and online indexes, according to the details you have provided, with no success.
 
I have also checked the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages website using variations of spelling (e.g. Don/Donald, McGregor/McGreggor/MacGreggor), with no success. I also tried the Victorian and Queensland equivalents, again with no success. Additionally I unsuccessfully searched the Ryerson Index, however it may be worth you checking each of these resources as there may be information and variations of spelling which I did not include in my searches.
 
Until you receive a response from the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages, it is difficult to know where else to look.
 
You may wish to search the fee-based site Ancestry.com.au, for which free access is provided in many libraries as well as our reading room.
 
Read more about family history research.
 
 
 
Regards,
Rhett Lindsay | Archivist, Public Access



I sent him a nice reply.

Still waiting on a reply from NAA, which will be about the last before putting this one to bed, I think.

Cheers,
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #182 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 04:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the update, Peter.
A bit disappointing, but another avenue of research followed as far as possible.
Sue
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #183 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes,  I echo Sue's words.


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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #184 on: Tuesday 20 December 16 06:17 GMT (UK) »
This topic is not quite dead yet! NAA were supposed to respond by 18 November. I gave them until today and followed it up. This is their response:

Thank you for your enquiry regarding records for your father's uncle, Donald MacGregor (Service Number 2065), and please accept my apologies on behalf of the National Archives for the delay in responding to your enquiry. The Archives has been working through a backlog of cases in recent months and this has led to longer than usual response times.

This enquiry has allocated to the Sydney Office of the National Archives for a search of veteran's personal case files. These personal case files have been identified as the records most likely to shed light on the question of Mr MacGregor's post-war life.

We have carried out a search of the collection and located two files for Mr Macgregor in record series C137. These records had not been described and were therefore not previously searchable on RecordSearch.The file numbers for these records are as follows;

- R90891
- C90891

All records held by the National Archives must be examined for material of continuing sensitivity before they are made available for public access. As these records are ‘not yet examined’ they must be access examined before they can be made available.

I will be submitting access applications for these items on your behalf. Under the Archives Act 1983 we are obliged to respond to applications for access within 90 days. You will be advised when the files have been screened for public access and provided with copying quotations at that time.
It is also possible that the Archives holds pay records for Mr Macgregor in record series, ST1910/4. Please notify the Archives if you would like us to carry out a search of this series on your behalf.


Let you know what happens.

Cheers,
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #185 on: Tuesday 20 December 16 06:26 GMT (UK) »
As you say - not quite finished yet!  ::)

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #186 on: Tuesday 20 December 16 06:58 GMT (UK) »
Yes, not yet finished !   2017 is the year of getting to the bottom of the mystery.

Fingers Crossed.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #187 on: Saturday 01 April 17 11:29 BST (UK) »
Just to bring people up to date with this topic.

I received a reply from NAA a couple of months ago but didn’t act on it because, misreading it, I thought there was another response from them still to come - and then my hard drive died…

NAA advised that there Sydney facility holds two paper records on Donald MacGregor, a repatriation file and a pay card, and I was invited to purchase digital copies  - which would cost one hundred odd dollars. I chickened out of that, reasoning that unless the records answered the riddle I might be divorced - and down two cartons of beer - for no result.

I find the wording of the NAA’s instructions ambiguous. Do you still have to pay to view documents if you actually visit the site? Perhaps an experienced Rootschatter living in Sydney may be familiar with the procedures. And - pushing my luck a bit further, he thinks - if it is free, would there be a Rootschatter, or a friend or relative of a Rootschatter, who occasionally visits the NAA in Sydney for research, who would be willing to view/copy those records?

Anyway, these are the details:

"National Archives of Australia
National Reference Service
Reference: NAA1000177222

"Dear Mr McGregor,

 I am writing to advise you that we have located a pay card for Donald MacGregor in record series, ST1910/4. This item has been access examined and is available for you to purchase a digital copy.

Title Pay history card Donald MacGregor 
Contents date range 1914 - 1918 
Series number ST1910/4 
Click to see which government agency or person created this item. 
Control symbol 2065 
Citation NAA: ST1910/4, 2065 
Item barcode 13802251 
Location Sydney 
Access status Open 
Date of decision 22 Dec 2016
 


"The previously mentioned repatriation files in record series C137 - details below, have also been access examined and are available for purchasing digital copies.

Title McGregor, Donald [A260] 
Contents date range 1919 - 1924 
Series number C137 
Click to see which government agency or person created this item. 
Control symbol C90891 
Citation NAA: C137, C90891 
Item barcode 13801936 
Location Sydney 
Access status Open 
Date of decision 22 Dec 2016 
Title MacGregor, Donald [A260 
Contents date range 1920 - 1920 
Series number C137 
Click to see which government agency or person created this item. 
Control symbol R90891 
Citation NAA: C137, R90891 
Item barcode 13801935 
Location Sydney 
Access status Open 
Date of decision 22 Dec 2016



"If you wish to purchase digital copies of these items, please see How to purchase copies.



"You may choose instead to view the items in the Chester Hill Reading Room. If so, please contact the National Reference Service beforehand and quote the item details on this email so that the necessary preparations can be made. Advance notice of at least five days is preferred."

Whether or not anyone can help any further I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who took part - by help, advice or encouragement - in this quite extended conundrum. I’ve learnt a lot from the experience and learnt what wonderful people there are out there. In order of their first appearance: Jamjar, rosball, majm, Rosinish, cando, judb, Rena, sparret, Ruskie, Pheno, phenolphthalein and brigidmac; with special mention to rosball for copying the divorce papers and wading through all those coroners reports - thanks, Ros -  and to majm for much advice from you and from those friends and rellies, and for starting a breakthrough by finding Donald in West Wyalong - thanks, JM.

Cheers, Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #188 on: Saturday 01 April 17 23:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,
   I've just been checking out where Chester Hill is and it's not so far way.  I should be able to get there in the next couple of weeks.

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