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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #117 on: Friday 30 September 16 00:33 BST (UK) »
Ros,

In that case, you have no time for being on here....get back to work & we will hear from you on Tuesday with all your possibilities  ;D

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #118 on: Friday 30 September 16 00:41 BST (UK) »
 :) :D

Here's a long shot Annie.  An unknown man about 35-45 found near Lithgow with strychnine poisoning and the coroners remarks really clarify it.

adding : aha they are dates when the body is moved somewhere (I thought the coroner needed more work on his fractions)
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #119 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:10 BST (UK) »
I am having trouble  deciphering most of it.
But they are all dates of August 1935 and into Sept. 1935 I think.
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #120 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:22 BST (UK) »
Ros,

Like Sue, I'm struggling too in deciphering it & just realised the date is not in the topic heading to refer back to & as I'm now in "reply" it will take too long to go back for the date declared dead.

However, I think I see the word Police, does the date next to that match with date of death declared?

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #121 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:40 BST (UK) »
Sadly, in the 1930s, many NSW families (some would say the vast majority across all the states) were impoverished by the Great Depression.   We need to remember that Australia in the 1930s was reliant on the overseas trade in wool  and wheat, and a continuing inflow of foreign capital.   But between 1929 and 1932 the world price for wool fell by around 50% and for wheat by around 60%, while the prices for manufactured goods did not fall to any significant extent.   Unemployment rose to 30% of our working population by 1931.   It took until late 1939 (ie the outbreak of WWII) for the sustained recovery.   

30% of the workforce …..  in the 1930s …. Mainly males…..  tramping from town to town looking for work or a ration of food.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162524417  Mudgee Guardian 1 August 1935.

Human Remains found April 1935. 

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A Magisterial inquiry, regarding the finding of human remains at the foot of Hassan’s Walls on April 11, was held at Lithgow this week.   The deputy coroner (Mr G Coates) found that there was no possibility of establishing the identity of the deceased.  Evidence pointed to the fact that death had been caused by strychnine, whether self administered or not being unknown. 

Poisoned Meat was routinely used in baits purposedly set to kill wild animals.  The preferred poison was strychnine. 

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #122 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:46 BST (UK) »
So this chap maybe


UNKNOWN Male
16461/1935
55/6O Yrs Byron Bay
Lithgow
 
 
UNKNOWN Male
15456/1935
Byron Bay

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #123 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:49 BST (UK) »
And Lithgow Ambulance sought to keep the skeleton

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17196881 SMH 2 August 1935.


There are many UNKNOWN males listed for 1935 at NSW BDM, but unless the coroner directed the burial of the remains of the chap found at Hassans Wall, then there would not be a funeral director to seek out a pro temp death registration to lead to a burial order to then complete a death registration.   So it is likely that there would not be an entry at NSW BDM.   :(  for the Magistrate's Inquiry mentioned in the cuttings I have posted.   


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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #124 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:50 BST (UK) »
Byron Bay is hundreds of miles from Lithgow.    Hassans Wall is natural cliffs at Lithgow.   :)

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #125 on: Friday 30 September 16 02:53 BST (UK) »
JM,

Do you think he may have eaten contaminated food by accident then, if this were to have been him?

Annie

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Then animals may the have devoured his body as it was a "Skeleton"?
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"