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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #45 on: Friday 23 September 16 03:58 BST (UK) »
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What would be the reason for the death information in his file long after he'd left the service?

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #46 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:00 BST (UK) »
Yes, I've re-read that now.

You wonder why people tell such blatant lies?

“Aunty Nell [his sister] said he died by suicide in the early 1930s at somewhere in the Riverina; she was notified"

Annie

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Maybe she was notified as nok by that time as no-one else was available, father deceased? wife & him split?
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #47 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:03 BST (UK) »
My Grandfather's AIF WWI file includes the details of his death in the 1940s.   His NSW BDM death cert (not the official transcription but the real deal cert) even includes is AIF service number.

AIF base records clerks were often those clerks who had been working in Admin roles in the states' public services and were medically unfit for enlisting to serve overseas.   Many of the NSW BDM clerks of the pre WWI years went to Base Records.   :)

I cannot give a definitive answer for you JJ, but those clerks were intent on record keeping. 

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #48 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:04 BST (UK) »
Annie, just because it doesn't make sense, it could still be true. Aunt may just be going on what she had been informed of. Maybe someone, even the deceased had written her name in his book.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #49 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:09 BST (UK) »
My Grandfather's AIF WWI file includes the details of his death in the 1940s.   His NSW BDM death cert (not the official transcription but the real deal cert) even includes is AIF service number.

AIF base records clerks were often those clerks who had been working in Admin roles in the states' public services and were medically unfit for enlisting to serve overseas.   Many of the NSW BDM clerks of the pre WWI years went to Base Records.   :)

I cannot give a definitive answer for you JJ, but those clerks were intent on record keeping.

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Thanks JM.

I was wondering how they found out about it, if no death is recorded in BDM.

Could he have died on the Albury/Wodonga boarder and death recorded in VIC?

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #50 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:10 BST (UK) »
Yes, I've re-read that now.

You wonder why people tell such blatant lies?

“Aunty Nell [his sister] said he died by suicide in the early 1930s at somewhere in the Riverina; she was notified"

Annie

Annie,  Aunty Nell is not telling blatant lies.  She is simply recalling what she can remember.  She would be unlikely to have had the opportunity in the 1930s to seek formal confirmation that her brother had died, particularly as she had been informed that it was under such tragic circumstances.    The Great Depression was not just an economic failure in Australia, it was also a hugely depriving decade for the entire population.   Men tramped thousands of miles looking for work.   Their wives were untrained for work outside of the home, and this was an era before the Pill, so there were many children in each household.   No income, kicked out of their rental accommodation, and no prospects.    Likely, Aunty Nell was more concerned about her living family than in spending any spare shillings on sending telegrams to police stations to ask for the whereabouts of her brother's remains. 

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #51 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:10 BST (UK) »
JJ,

I made an addition to my post which you may have missed?

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #52 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:14 BST (UK) »
JJ,

I made an addition to my post which you may have missed?

Annie

Yes, Annie and they had to have got her name and address from someone.  ;)

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #53 on: Friday 23 September 16 04:45 BST (UK) »
Here is memoriam for Effie in 1973

Note that only the last granddaughter is mentioned.   Yes I have looked for deaths in NSW for those little girls with those parents' names and haven't found them.  Perhaps they are daughters of another child?
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