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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 September 16 22:52 BST (UK) »
Jamjar, sorry, I should have written Mary BRICKLEY. (Bruce was his father's mother's name).
 
Ros, thank you.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 September 16 22:54 BST (UK) »
Just a thought...

I have seen Daniel used for Donald in some cases, could this be a possibility?

Annie
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 September 16 23:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie,

Good thought. I've certainly seen it in Scotland, but I haven't seen it in Australia in the 20th century when names were more "fixed". But worth keeping in mind. Thanks.

Cheers, Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 September 16 23:05 BST (UK) »
I see Effie Scott TURNBULL (her maiden name) married in Ryde in 1937.

Perhaps that is what triggered the 1937 death note

Ros

adding :  Effie Scott PRICE died in 1972.


Would she be receiving a pension and have to inform them of changed name/address??
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 September 16 23:25 BST (UK) »
No help with your search but here is Effie Scott Price's death notice.

adding : if she was 81 when she died in 1972, that means she was about 47 when she remarried so could the daughter be Donald's daughter?  (or is my arithmetic astray)

adding : well the divorce file will tell us
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 September 16 00:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: rosball on Thursday 22 September 16 23:25 BST (UK)
if she was 81 when she died in 1972, that means she was about 47 when she remarried so could the daughter be Donald's daughter?  (or is my arithmetic astray)

Maybe from her 1st marriage

From reply #3 JM

Effie Scott Macgregor (formerly Munro, nee
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Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 September 16 00:21 BST (UK) »
Legal declarations for Death .....   (Order of Presumed Death)

Info from a rellie (retired NSW BDM senior officer not sure if it is Order of Death or Order of Presumed Death)

If the death was presumed to have occurred in NSW, what should have been done would be court  action taken in the NSW Supreme Court by his wife/widow/divorced wife with outstanding child maintenance orders/etc or others having a claim on his "deceased" estate, Solicitor/Barrister representing the Parties seeking the declaration.,,. 

The SMH newspaper would have displayed the Law Lists for any such action.  So check TROVE

If such action was successful, then there should be a direction from the Supreme Court to the Registrar General, causing a NSW dc to be raised.   

 I cannot see any likely NSW BDM dc indexed for 1937/38 .....   

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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 September 16 00:27 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Rosinish on Friday 23 September 16 00:15 BST (UK)

Maybe from her 1st marriage

From reply #3 JM

Effie Scott Macgregor (formerly Munro, nee
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Annie
Yes it could be Annie  :)  Hopefully the divorce file will tell us.  It should definitely tell us if she was Donald's daughter  and probably if she was a daughter from previous marriage.
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Re: Was he really dead or legally on that date?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 September 16 00:48 BST (UK) »
Just a brief note. Got a late call to babysit a sick granddaughter so might be a while before I can respond properly. Thanks again, everyone!

Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.
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