Can anyone help me please.

[Rosinish]

Thanks for confirming.

Always best to include relevant details to save having to answer unecessary questions & may also lead to others with an interest in the family.

Annie

[LordVader]

Hello,

Thank you for the reply. This surname is definitely proving a challenge in the Essex area.

There is a Jeremiah Fewell who married Judith Crawley and had children baptised at Hatfield Broad Oak Ann 1774, William 1776, John 1778 and Philip 1780. I suspected he could have been a son of Philip Fuell and Ann Judd, but I could not find his baptism. The parents of Jeremiah could possibly help in determining the parents of William Fuell who married Elizabeth Green.

To help rule out my Willam's parents as Philip and Ann, what is the key evidence that links the family in Felsted to Takeley?

The marriage of William and Elizabeth Green at Takeley links this William from Hatfield Broad Oak to a plausible birth at Takeley being named of that parish. I can only find two options for a William baptised in Takeley and given there is no use in William's children's and grandchildren for the Name Thomas it does possibly leave only Philip. There is another baptism in Little Canfield to a Robert, but a name also never used.

There does not seem to be enough substance of evidence with William and Margaret's daughter called Milly as a relation to Millicient, especially when Philip Fuell and Ann Bird named two daughters by that name (one died). If one could be upheld as evidence then both families are equally possible and would logically lean in favour to the one whose father was Philip.

It does make it hard as any of the William's could be yours or mine given naming traditions might have skipped a generation or two. If naming traditions were key it does lean in favour of my William, but there is still no hard evidence to confirm a connection. I do see that Philip and Ann's son Philip also had a son called Philip so there is defiantly some family significance in the name.

Kind regards,

Jared

[findem]

Hi Jared,

The linking of the family of William Fuell baptised 1737 at Takeley to the William Fuell who married Margaret Twin at Felsted came about from the joint research of myself and several other Fewell researchers.  We based it I think mainly on the fact that William (parents Philip Fuell & Anne Judd) had a sister named Millicent and the William and Margaret of Felsted named a daughter Milly, we were unable, if my memory serves me correct, to find another Milly or Millicent Fewell of an acceptable age.  Also, the age of William of Takeley who would have been 21 when marrying Margaret Twin is acceptable.

We did hear from the son of a Reverend Mills who researched the Fewell line many years before we did, he gave us some info from his father's research which appears to confirm some of our research.  One couple he mentioned is of interest and they are according to Rev Mills the parents of Philip Fuell (husband of Anne Judd), unfortunately the info is very brief but leads me to Dunmow.  Eventually I will be getting a sub for the ERO’s Essex Ancestors and checking thayt family out, it does look strong.

The Rev's son was going to try to access his father's computer to flesh out what he gave us but we never heard anything again, I did leave a message on RootsChat and later sent an email but no replies.

I’m concerned that at the moment I’m unable to find my Fuell Fewell research notes to give a fuller answer, I’ve recently bought a new PC and wondering if they became lost in the changeover.  If I fail to find them I guess I might be able to reconstruct then somewhat from this topic and others but I’m a bit short on time today.  What I have typed (above) has come from my Family Group Sheets in Excel.

I confess that William and Margaret naming their first child Elizabeth didn't sit well with me but without those 'blankety blank' notes I'm not sure how we sorted it, I can say from my FGS that William had a great grandmother named Elizabeth I would hope we came up with something more substantial than that.

Regards

[LizzieL]

Two Gt Dunmow marriages which might connect somewhere:
William Fewel to Sarah Harsler botp, by Banns, 7 Jun 1761, witnesses Henry Cook and Jesse Gunn
Henry Cook to Elizabeth Fewel botp by Banns, 20 Oct 1761, witnesses Sam: Cook, Jesse Gunn.
Jesses Gunn is the only one signed, witnessed lots of marriages, probably parish clerk or similar.

Earlier marriage 3  June 1707, John Fewell and Elizabeth Green of Takeley. I think it means she was from Takeley, because other records on same page say "both of..." if bride and groom were both from another parish

[LizzieL]

Just realised there was an L after the 1707 marriage entry so it was by licence. Date might be 8 June not 3 - not a very clear image

[LordVader]

Hi,

Unless there is something that I have missed, how have you come to the conclusion that because William's daughter named Milly, she is the confirmed niece of Millicent? It is heavily assumed to be considered proof.

As per my previous post there are other Milly Fuell/Fewell's who were the daughters of Philip Fuell and Ann Bird. This Philip is most likely to be the son of William Fuell and Elizabeth Green. The probability that the Milly's born to Philip Fuell and Ann Bird as great-granddaughters of Philip Fuell and Ann Judd are logically equal to your William's daughter, but is reinforced by the evidence their father is a Philip.

If you consider Milly a family name as evidence for an aunty/niece connection, how is William and Elizabeth's son named Philip after a plausible grandfather/grandson connection rejected?

Has anyone checked the sources of the Rev Mills and did it provide any documented evidence of a link for your William with sources? Also mentioned that other people have researched this line, has anyone else found any evidence to link your William to Philip and Ann apart from the Milly child?

Have you considered disproving the following evidence:
- William Fuell and Elizabeth Green are married at Takeley, noting William of Takeley, evidence placing this William in the correct town and parish.
- William who married Elizabeth for a 1737 baptism would have been 24 years of age, no less probable than your William given men didn't always marry at just 21 years at this time.
- William and Elizabeth had a son called Philip baptised in 1764 at Hatfield Broad Oak.
- William and Elizabeth lived at Brewers End as evident by the burial record of their son John in 1769 at Hatfield Broad Oak noting the residence. Hatfield Broad Oak is possibly Elizabeth's native parish. Brewers End by property listings seems to be in the town of Takeley around the Chapel Fields road area placing this William as a highly likely candidate for the son of Philip Fuell and Ann Judd.

This might seem blunt, but I do seek out sufficient evidence to rule any possibilities in contra to the evidence I have compiled.

Kind Regards,

Jared

[findem]

Thanks for that info LizzieL, much appreciated.

Regards.

[LizzieL]

Just realised there was an L after the 1707 marriage entry so it was by licence. Date might be 8 June not 3 - not a very clear image

This John and Elizabeth likely to be Philip's parents
baptism 6 Jun 1714 at Lt Canfield, Philip son of John and Elizabeth Fewel (sic)

[findem]

Hi Jared,

As I mentioned I will be attempting to reconstruct my missing notes, this will take some time.

As to your questions regarding the Rev Mills research there is a topic on the Essex board "Fewell Family" dated 13 March 2005 it's on page 30, have a read of that and it will answer your queries.  I certainly had no replies from the Rev Mills son Trevor and I'm pretty sure no one else has.

Out of curiosity in the mean time perhaps you could outline what you have done to eliminate William the son of Philip Fuel and his wife Anne Judd as the husband of Margaret Twin?

I would like to see a descendant line of your Fuells down to say William and Margaret please just so I can get matters firmly in my head.