At what point does it become apparent that an ancestor had been illegitimate?

[Jomot]

Doesn't help with his birth registration but on later census he gives his occupation as mariner, and there is an 1876 crew list record showing him aged 14 and an apprentice aboard the J J B, which was registered in Brixham.   

I don't fully understand the merchant navy records, but it says his indenture was registered at Dartmouth 24 Feb 1876.

[Rosinish]

Jomot,

An Indenture would be a contract such as an apprenticeship which you mentioned.

Annie

[Jomot]

Hi Annie

Thanks, yes, I understood that bit and also the voyage details, but Seaweed usually manages to extract nuggets that don't mean anything to most of us - that's what I was referring to by not fully understanding the records. 

[Rosinish]

Ahh, I see Jomot but more info. from Honor would have been good too.

We need help to help others.

Annie

[GailB]

I may be way off the mark here but things do not seem to add up.

There is a previous post by the OP here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755335.msg6048149#msg6048149

Then there is this marriage:

Name:   John Thomas Horton
Registration Year:   1891
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Totnes
Parishes for this Registration District:   View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:   Devon
Volume:   5b
Page:   341
Records on Page:   Name
Sarah Jane Campin
Herbert William Dawe
John Thomas Horton
Susan Provo

These records:


UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910
SCHOOLS, DIRECTORIES & CHURCH HISTORIES
NAME:    John Thomas Horton
BIRTH:    abt 1862 - Brixham
OTHER:    24 Feb 1876 - Dartmouth
   
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
IMMIGRATION & TRAVEL
NAME:    John Thomas Horton
BIRTH:    1863 - Brixham
CIVIL:    23 Sep 1897 – Brixham
(This is a second mate’s certificate for foreign going vessels)

1901 Census:

Burton Street, Brixham

John Horton, Head, M, 38, Mariner 2nd Mate Seas, Brixham, Devon
Fanny Horton, Wife, M, 38, Dartmouth, Devon
John T Horton, Son, 8, Brixham, Devon
Olive Horton, Daur, 5, Brixham, Devon
Ida Horton, Daur, 3, Brixham, Devon
George Horton, Son, 3, Brixham Devon

The 1911 Census shows the same family and indicates that John and Fanny had been married for 20 years.

Gail

[crisane]

One to discount?
Birth registration district Plymouth (which includes Brixton) John Thomas Kurton, vol 5b page 269.

There are a few records on FreeBMD for surname Kurton but I can't see a John Kurton born Devon on the censuses.

Added: Sorry got mixed up with Brixham and Brixton

[GailB]

Looks like Fanny is actually Susan Frances Provo, birth registered in 1860 in Totnes.

[Mowsehowse]

 http://www.best-maritime.info/catalogue_companies_list/company_source_50564_3.html

I have no idea why it is on the above link, but I found this QUOTE:

"The entries below are extracted from burial registers for the non-conformist cemetery, Higher Brixham. The registers covering the period 1886 to 1949 are kept in the Museum archives and are indexed on our database. The information given is : date name age & address.
17/05/24 FRANCES SUSAN HORTON 64 DREW ST 45
13/01/40 JOHN THOMAS HORTON 77 PAIGNTON "

The point being..... have you searched non-conformist baptisms?  (This might not be your chap though, because if he was 77 yrs in 1940 he would not have been born around 1876.)

Also, I have numbers of Brixham mariner people who did not baptise their babies in Brixham as the family "followed" the fish and were often away for months at a time in e.g. Tenby or Ramsgate.

[LizzieL]

The point being..... have you searched non-conformist baptisms?  (This might not be your chap though, because if he was 77 yrs in 1940 he would not have been born around 1876.)

I thought census information indicated birth around 1862/3