HARGRAVE - circa 1850

[Lucy2]

Hi Kayla

... what about occupations for John himself ??

  ~  Lu

[KaylaHargrave]

Lu,
Death and marriage certs both list John as a blacksmith

[Lucy2]

Hi

There are of course so many "trees" for John F.H. HARGRAVE (HARGRAVES) on the ancestry.com website (though much of the information contained has probably been shared from one tree to another ?)

* Have you been in touch with other researchers of this HARGRAVE family ??
[I note you had a previous thread re: John, on RootsChat.]

   ~  Lu

[KaylaHargrave]

Lu,
   There are a handful of people that have JFH in there trees as being born in 1846 in Bathurst Australia.
However if his marriage and death certificates are to be believed he was born in England.
I have also looked into the John who was born in Bathurst that year and the names of the parents don't line up.

I have been in touch with other people who are researching this line and most of there trees end with JFH Hargrave.

Kayla

[Lucy2]

Hi Kayla

I'm not suggesting that he was born in other than England.   

However, from what I can see, there may have been two sets of parents named "James and Mary" HARGRAVE / HARGRAVES / HARGREAVES, who had a child named John born in Lancashire about the same time (c. 1831).   

*  Do you or any of the other researchers have say, a birth cert. for one of his children which may confirm the place of birth of (their father) John ?

*  There was some mention I thought ?? in your earlier thread about this John having had a previous marriage in Australia ?

*  What details about John are given on his 1869 Marriage cert. ?    *  Who were the witnesses to this marriage ?

    ~  Lu

[KaylaHargrave]

Lu,
 Thats the problem I keep encountering, these people have the most generic names.
All the certificates that I have contain conflicting information.
On his sons birth certificate it states that John was born in Suffolk.
On Johns death certificate it says he was born in Suffolk as well and that he had been in Australia for 60 years. It states that his fathers name was John and his mothers name was Mary Dixon.
On his marriage certificate to Louisa Matilda Howell it says his place of birth was Manchester, his mothers name was Matilda Dixon and his fathers name was James.
Witnesses were Mary Howell (The brides sister or mother) & T. Hays


 

[Lucy2]

On his sons birth certificate it states that John was born in Suffolk.

Was it John who registered his son's birth ?

[trish1120]

Hi Kayla, well not yours then. 

If I find anything else in England I will post on here.

I will now leave to the NZ Board members who might be able to track down your elusive NZ Hargrave.

Trish