Canadian shipping lists.

[bayonne]

Does look like it was direct UK Canada, so like you say can't see it being that.

As to the British Bonus, I thought that might refer to some form of assisted passage. It just seems a bit odd dragging a large family across the Atlantic without checking you can get in.

I think in 1911 they may be in Shipley Nottinghamshire.  Perhaps they moved North so they didn't have to face friends and families questions over their swift return?

[bayonne]

Bit more progress, they arrived back in Liverpool on 27th May 1908. It looks as though they were just put back on the same ship.

The plot thickens!

[Pennines]

Good Find Bayonne.

The British Bonus is described here;
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/Pages/terminology-abbreviations.aspx

Now we just need to discover what 'suitable immigrant' meant.

[bayonne]

That British Bonus is odd, it's a wonder they didn't press gang families!

[polarbear]

I think the UK incoming record may not be the correct one? It appears to be for an Albert Horsley and the children have different names?

On the St John arrival manifest it appears that little Edna is written in as having died so it looks like she may have died at sea? She is not with the family in the next available census and you can check it to see if any of the children are deceased.

PB

[bayonne]

Back to square one 

I'll start again tomorrow. Thanks to everyone for their help.

[AddictedtoFamilyTree]

British Bonus Allowed

The British Bonus was a commission paid by the Canadian government's Immigration Branch to steamship booking agents in the United Kingdom and in European countries for each suitable immigrant who purchased a ticket to sail to Canada. The immigrants themselves did not receive the bonus, although those who settled on western homesteads did receive a separate monetary bonus upon proof of settlement.

As such, the "British Bonus" was a subtle marketing tool used by the Canadian government; it served to encourage steamship booking agents to recruit desirable settlers (farmer, domestics, etc.). The laws of the time in many European countries forbade open encouragement of immigration by any foreign country.

Above extract is from http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/canada/manifest-markings.shtml

[AddictedtoFamilyTree]

Also found this in a list of abbreviations...

Detained: not permitted to immediately enter the country, usually for medical reasons

And this....

File (Fyle) no.: a file originally contained within the Immigration Branch's old Central Registry Files series. Unfortunately, the files relating to individual immigrants were not retained.

So the file number might have raised false hopes Were the comments about Edna dying at Sea on the information for incoming to Canada or incoming to the UK? I think it was usually around 9 days/ nights in the records I've come across, probably varying on conditions. Maybe if she died at sea on the way to Canada they might have had concerns about consumption or other diseases that might, or might not have caused her death? Although arguably it should have said detained instead of deported...

[AddictedtoFamilyTree]

Also found some information around the changes in legislation and reasoning behind them for that time period...

"Also excluded were all charity cases who had not received written authority to emigrate, either from the superintendent of immigration at Ottawa or the assistant superintendent of emigration for Canada in London. According to Knowles (1992, 80-81), this was inspired by a wave of poor British immigrants who arrived in 1907. In 1908, 70% of the deportations from Canada were British immigrants."

In the same year Oliver took steps to increase British immigration. He increased the bonus paid to British booking agents who sold tickets to British farmers, farm labourers and domestics and he opened new immigration offices in Exeter, York and Aberdeen.

There are lots of references to suitable immigrants along with a few examples or occupations, domestics are also mentioned as well as farmers. Can't find the link for the page now, but I also read that some domestic and agricultural immigrants were matched up with employers on their arrival. Maybe they didn't have written authority?

Exeter, York and Aberdeen would have been central for farming communities - were your Horsleys famers?

A bit later on, but by the 1920s the undesirable list has grown (don't know by how much) to include:

“... the tubercular, feeble-minded, imbecilic, epileptic, insane, alcoholic, female prostitute or male pimp, beggar, vagrant, dumb, blind or physically defective, anarchist, spy, treasonous, most of the adult illiterate, and the ‘charity-aided immigrants and persons who are likely to become public charges’.” (Bothwell et al. 1987, 213)

I have no idea of how you could possibly know if someone was treasonous on first impressions!