Kilham marriage.

[Millmoor]

Hi

Freereg has transcriptions of the Chester le Street bts.  William and Mary seem to have had  a number of children. Elizabeth baptised 19 June 1803 is their 1st daughter. They have transcribed Benjamin as 4th son and Edward baptised 26 Jul 1807 as 5th son. Mary's surname seems to have a variety of transcriptions but noting that their 3rd daughter Sarah baptised 3 May 1812 has Mary Machel recorded as her mother and a native of  Bentley, I think the marriage identified in Arksey is likely to be the one you are looking for.

William

[suzard]

In case you have skipped a generation this is the baptism of William Messenger who possibly married a mary in 1803

St Mary the Virgin Badsworth Yks
Baptism -from Parish register image
William Messenger born 12 May 1878
Baptised 8 July 1798
William Messenger son of William Messenger of Thor?? (sorry unable to read) Gentleman . William Messenger son of Joseph Messenger of Swaford? in county of Oxford by Elizabeth, daughter of

son of Mary Machin daughter of John Machin of Bentley in the Parish of Arksey, labourer by the daughter of

There's a typo in the above - William was born 12 May 1798, so couldn't have married in 1803! And the mystery Thor??? place is Thorpe Audlin, which is in the parish of Badsworth.

I'm interested in the Machin connection in Badsworth, as I have one there too: Elisabeth Machin who in 1759 married Richard Hirst, a butcher, and lived in Badsworth from about 1761 until her death in 1806. Elisabeth (born c.1733) was daughter of Thomas Machin (also spelt Makin) of Fairburn in the parish of Ledsham. I know of 6 children born and baptised in Badsworth, plus a further 3 older ones who were buried there, but whose births I haven't found.

I wonder if there was some connection? If so, then possibly your Machin connection might give me a lead as to where else I could look, but mine might give you something to consider too.

Arthur

Apologies for my typo !! Thank you for the correction

Suz

[Wearsider]

I am very grateful for the reply postings on this thread and I was hoping that I had found information to allow me to work back another generation.

Having looked closely I now feel that the William Messenger who married Mary Machin on 23 Jun 1794 at Arksey, Doncaster is not in my line of Messengers.  The William that I had identified was born on 14 Sep 1763 at Swalcliffe, Oxfordshire.

However identifying this William is dependant upon his son, Benjamin, being the correct Benjamin and I probably need to do some more work to confirm that this is correct.  If I make a further query then this will be more appropriate on the RootsChat Durham board.

This part of my tree has been causing problems for some time now and I really thought that I may have sorted it out but it appears that I have not done so, however many thanks for all the reply postings.

Wearsider.

 

[Millmoor]

Hi Wearsider

I do hope that the information I  provided re the marriage in Arksey viz that William Messenger was a native of the parish of Rufford Nottinghamshire has not had any bearing on the conclusions you have drawn. This  was probably where he was at the time of the marriage - the actual licence might shed more light.

As I indicated in an earlier post the Bts have the baptism of Sarah Messenger "Born 14th Jan 1812 bap 3 May William Messenger of Lumley Park, Whipperin Native of Swaycliffe Oxfordshire by his wife Mary Machel  Native of Bentley Yorkshire".(Worth pointing out that they both signed by an x on the Arksey marriage).

I would also draw your attention to the 1851 census for William Messenger b 1799 Wentbridge Yorkshire - he is a  groom in Chester le Street. Wentbridge is in the parish of Badsworth - the details of his baptism are the same as provided by Suzard in an earlier post.

If you do determine that your Benjamin is the one born in Chester le Street I have to say  I think that the balance of probability indicates that the Arksey marriage is the correct one.

William

[arthurk]

Having looked closely I now feel that the William Messenger who married Mary Machin on 23 Jun 1794 at Arksey, Doncaster is not in my line of Messengers.  The William that I had identified was born on 14 Sep 1763 at Swalcliffe, Oxfordshire.

I'd echo what William (Millmoor) has said: allowing for local accents and phonetic spellings, the Chester-le-Street and Badsworth baptisms are consistent with each other, and both point back to Oxfordshire for William and Arksey for Mary - and I would think that makes the Arksey marriage far more likely than the Kilham one.

I'd agree too that Rufford may have been just a residence, not William's place of birth, and also that the licence for that marriage might give valuable information.

However identifying this William is dependant upon his son, Benjamin, being the correct Benjamin and I probably need to do some more work to confirm that this is correct.  If I make a further query then this will be more appropriate on the RootsChat Durham board.

If you do post a fresh query (wherever you decide to put it), please include a link back to this one - what's been written here might save a lot of duplication of effort! And a further post in this thread giving a link to any new thread might be a good idea too.

Arthur

[Wearsider]

I have checked all my earlier information together with the reply information that I have received in these postings and I am now satisfied that the marriage of William Messenger and Mary Machin at Arksey is the correct one for my tree.

I am most grateful for all the postings that I have received on this thread.

Wearsider.

[arthurk]

Thanks for letting us know - glad you're making progress!