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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #720 on: Saturday 13 December 25 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Further to last reply, found some more research notes into Robert Thompson of Selby dying 1840.


1840
Burial at Selby
Robert Thompson, Abode Selby, buried July 8, Age 72, by Richard Paver Vicar of Brayton.

Robert Thompson, born about 1768.


1768 Baptisms at Selby
Robert, Son of Gamaliel Thompson


First Marriage in 1794 of Robert Thompson (married the day before Maudland Hood, married Charles Turner, Banns all on same days for both marriages).

1794 at Selby 26th November by Banns
Robert Thompson of this Parish Sawyer aged 26 years and a Batchelor, married
Mary Young of this Parish Spinster aged 22 years.
In the Presence of Sam'l Bradley, Richard Pool
[This Richard Pool was a descendant of Joan D. of Thomas Mote of Barkstone Ash]


1795 Selby Birth and Baptism, Sept'r 30th
Thomas Thompson First Son
Of Robert Thompson of Selby Sawyer Son of Gamaliel Thompson of Selby afors'd Porter by Ann his Wife Daur of Thos Mote of Barkstone Lab'r.
Mary Daur of John Young of Rocliff Lab'r by Ann his Wife Daur of Wm Hutchinson of Rocliff afores'd.
[Rocliff possibly Rawcliffe, Snaith?]


1768 Chapel of Aimin, Yorkshire
John Young
Ann Hutchinson both of Airmine in the Chapelry of Airmine by Banns with Consent of Parents this 20th day of November
In the Presence of us: Leonard Simpson, Charles Twist.


1761 6th Jan'y
A book called the Howden Registers, has in 1761, a Gamaliel Thompson as a witness at a Marriage, although they have made a misprint error with the Bride's surname.


1761 Howden Register, 6th January by Banns
Thomas Thompson of Kilpin in this Parish and
Mary WALKER of this Parish Spinster
In the Presence of Gamaliel Thompson his mark


Research into a possible for Samuel Bradley
1778 Baptisms at Selby
Ann Bradley Second Daughter [of]
Samuel Bradley of Selby Cordwainer Son of Richard Bradley of Selby Cordwainer by Elizabeth his Wife D'r of Thos Varley of Udderscelf [Ulleskelf] in the Parish of Kirby Farmer.
[Child's Mother] Elizabeth Dr of Richard Varley of Selby Barber by Sarah his Wife Dr of Richard Choice of Hemingbro' Farmer.


A couple of unrelated comments ...

1) Walker is another surname cropping up again.

2) Not linked the following Thompson to Robert Thompson of Selby but ...

1841 at Scalby
John Young, 65, Ind, Yes.
Jane Young, 65, Yes.
William Thompson, 10, Yes.
[Mother of Wm Thompson was nee Mary Hood]


Jane Young possibly Jane Porreth or Jane Porritt or Porrith  23 yrs of Scarborough married John Young 22 yrs both of Scarborough, married 1797 at St Mary's Scarborough
Present: Ann Wallace, Mary Shaw, Benj: Shaw.


Porritt or Porrith witness at the 1795 Scarbro' marriage of Wm Hood.


1830 at Scalby, Yorkshire by Banns
William Thompson
Mary Hood
In the presence of John Young, Betty Thompson her mark


Mark


Regarding the Robert Thompson dying at Selby in 1840 aged 72 (Father thought to be Gamaliel) the only possible family link may be to Thomas Thompson of Kilpin marrying at Howden in 1761, because a Gamaliel Thompson was a witness.
But had names before which seemed extremely rare and more unusual than this and a search revealed four in a similar time period.


Attached Register with spelling blunder and inserted spelling.


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #721 on: Saturday 13 December 25 20:20 GMT (UK) »
Re Samuel Bradley.  I think the reference to Udderscelf is probably Ulleskelf township in the parish of Kirkby Wharfe.  See this map, 1845-46.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/266665528#zoom=3.3&lat=10328&lon=13544&layers=BT




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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #722 on: Sunday 14 December 25 10:29 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Molly

I copied what was written, but knew that spelling was wrong and couldn't remember the spelling I had looked up a few years ago, I knew one spelling variant seen ended in shelf.

This new pc is very poor now on Google and also seems to limit searching in quote commas and does not give spelling suggestions, poor on place searching, so I copied the Register more or less word for word.

It also wants to take me to map Sales sites, or to put cookies on my pc which I always try to refuse.

Norwood
I did see something recently about Robert Thompson dying Selby in 1840 aged 72 years and thought that is why George Hood, sent T. or J. Norwood with the money for R. Thompson's Coffin.


John Norwood of Snaith, Cornfactor and John Simes of Burn of Yorkshire were both witnesses to George Hood's signature in a Property Conveyance Registered 1831 (Woodcock and Others to George Hood).

John Norwood, Corn Dealer of Snaith had married Mary Twist a relative of George Hood's Wife Sarah Russell.

In the 1841 Census at Snaith John Norwood and Mary Norwood both 40 have Mary Burton 37 yrs, a visitor and Burton were also related to Sarah Russell.


Sarah Russell of Selby, married George Hood
I have the distinctive signature of Sarah Russell as a witness at a marriage.

1812, 16th June, at Ryther by Banns
Joseph Walls of the Parish of Stillingfleet Bachelor &
Ann Maskill of this Parish Spinster (signed Maskall) 
Present as witnesses: SARAH RUSSELL, Rob't Dixon.

Extensive research forward to 1851 and then backward so far, suggests several surnames which crop up in my wider Tree.


1790
A Transcript from the Parish Register of Riccall
Baptisms 1790
Joseph the son of Joseph Walls Butcher by Mary his Wife was born the 10th Sept'r and baptized Oct'r 10th. The said Joseph is Son of Joseph Walls of Kelfield by Margaret his Wife and the said Mary Daughter of John Graham of Towton by Elizabeth his Wife.

1783 Stillingflleet by Banns
Joseph Walls of this P.
Mary Graham of this Parish Spinster
Wits: John Walls, John Bennison

1755 16th January, Skipwith, by Licence
Joseph Walls of the Parish of Kellfield
Margaret Rouler of this Parish [B.T. says for surname Ruler]
Present (wits) Hary Hudson, James Smith


Ann Maskall
1789 4th December, Ryther Baptisms
Ann Maskall Daughter of Joseph Maskall, Farmer and Ann his Wife

1779 9th November, at Ryther, by Licence
Joseph Maskall 21 of P. Of Stillingfleet & a Bachelor, Yeoman &
Ann Taylor 17 of this Parish Spinster
Present: Mary Maskall, John Britton's mark, Sarah Nicholson

ADDED:
Same Opening Ann Taylor also appears as a witness at the marriages of:-
 1) Henry Potts & Ann Shepherd
John Shiperd (other witness).

2) William Allison of Goldsbro' &
Hannah Shepherd
Susannah Nicholson (other witness)

1789 Stillingfleet
Joseph Shepherd &
Amy Wells
Present (wits) Frances Pool, John WALLS.


Then I have noted "Possible Walls link?" For further research, possibly because we have Robinson and Hudson in the wider Tree by marriages

August 1744 Stillingfleet
Jeremiah Walls & Ann Hudson, Moorby [Moreby] in margin.

Carlton juxta Snaith
Dades Baptism Register 16th May 1780, bapt 25th June
Ann Robinson second daughter of John Robinson of Carlton Farmer Son of John Robinson of Brayton Labourer by Mary his Wife Daughter of [forename blank] Clawson of Lund Farmer.
Hannah Daughter of Jeremiah Walls of Carlton Farmer by Hannah his Wife Daughter of James Hutson of Thirsk by Mary his Wife.
[Hutson possibly an alias of Hudson]

1770 6th December at Brayton by Banns
John Robinson of this Parish a Farmer &
Tabitha Walls of this Parish Spinster
Present: Jeremiah Walls, Thomas Slingsby, Matthew Hawkins.


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #723 on: Sunday 14 December 25 12:20 GMT (UK) »
You probably know Brayton is the parish immediately south of Selby, and Burn is in Brayton parish, a little further south.  They are now on a main road (A19) southwards from Selby to Doncaster.  This was one of the last turnpike roads to be constructed in Yorkshire, from memory about 1832, delayed because the land was prone to flooding (and still is!), also a crossing of the River Aire was needed.  Before that, communications depended upon winding routes through villages further west.

Airmyn is at the point where the Aire joins the Ouse - the name is derived from mynni, Old Norse for
river-mouth.   (Ref:  Place-names of the West Riding... pt. 7  p. 227. (English Place-names Society))


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #724 on: Sunday 21 December 25 09:59 GMT (UK) »

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Norwood
I did see something recently about Robert Thompson dying Selby in 1840 aged 72 years and thought that is why George Hood, sent T. or J. Norwood with the money for R. Thompson's Coffin.


John Norwood of Snaith, Cornfactor and John Simes of Burn of Yorkshire were both witnesses to George Hood's signature in a Property Conveyance Registered 1831 (Woodcock and Others to George Hood).

John Norwood, Corn Dealer of Snaith had married Mary Twist a relative of George Hood's Wife Sarah Russell.

In the 1841 Census at Snaith John Norwood and Mary Norwood both 40 have Mary Burton 37 yrs, a visitor and Burton were also related to Sarah Russell.

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Hello Molly and All

Thank you.

I have three 1" scale maps, but really too small for some detail.

I have also managed to find an illustration depicting the pits of the Tannery [probably in Hood's Yard], Gowthorpe, Selby in a document.

The Tannery of George Hood did not seem to be the one on maps near the Catholic Church with the word "Tannery" adjacent, but the other Tannery with pits drawn in the yard (near the l in the word Selby) with houses and buildings North side of Gowthorpe, opposite and East of Brook Street, Selby.

It seems later in the 1858 Selby Rate Book that the Owner of John Hood's Tannery (Son of George), was now Mary Jackson.

Richard Gallsworthy, Gallsworthy & Son, Tanners with Tanneries in several Yorkshire towns seem to be occupying the Tan Yard with Mrs Hood in the adjacent building and numbered Lot when the Trustees of the late Jonathan Hutchinson offered the premises for sale in 1872, Auction January 1873.

Gallsworthy later sold the Tan Yard premises to build Scott Road, Selby, to the Flaxley Road and there was a fair amount of newspaper and Committee references, because the council were acquiring the location for the road.

A modern looking empty Pocklington Carpets, Gowthorpe, Selby, showroom building about No 80 Gowthorpe Selby is on the West side of Scott Road.

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I shall have to look into John Simes of Burn in more detail.

Because in 1892 Alfred William Hood born Selby was a witness at Colin Sims, Schoolmaster 30 years (Father John Sims, a Moulder), marriage at Manchester, to Fannie Adolphine Cooke 21 years (Father Charles Cooke, Schoolmaster), both traced back.

But found this very Summary Catalogue description to John Simes of Burn and his Wife looks to have Irish links.

Probate copy will of Francis Sawyer of West Haddlesey (dated 7th June 1815)

Bequests: Thomas Hogman of West Haddlesey; Thomas Dickinson of Brayton; John Simes of Burn farmer; wife Elizabeth; brother Richard; children of deceased sons Richard Sawyer of Dublin silversmith and John Sawyer of West Haddlesey yeoman. Grandson William, son of John Simes to receive 1s only
Probate: 17 Jan. 1818


Mark


Amended: I tried to do this from memory but had to check and alter quite a bit.


Added:

Mary Jackson of Selby, Tanner, was mentioned in a New York Probate File of John Jackson of Herkimer, a family relative and the Selby Solicitor had copied various family information from Registers and sent it to the US Office dealing with the Probate to show who his relatives were.

File seems to cover 1858 to 1861.
A lot of copy notes of documents of this particular Richard Jackson & Mary Jackson nee Mary Cole (married Ackworth, Yorkshire, England 1813), sent to the Court in USA.
(images found via Family search in a "Full-Text search results" search).

Mary Dickinson of Selby, Innkeeper, otherwise Jackson, seemed to lose out because she was not married it seemed?