Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby

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Make what will of this 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C6VY-BFPZ?lang=en

Thanks Dave, a bit early, do you think and whether this is the Jarvis or Jervis / Jervas / Gervas family linked to Cockin of Barnby Dun, Yorkshire, is not known?

But here is the 1713 Clandestine Marriage of Robert Hood, Widower and Ann Jarvis, Widow. 

Smith looks to be the occupation, looking at the other marriages on the page.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I'll try and answer your question with the 1713 marriage London area first, so thinking  of mariners (like John Hood  mariner) popping up and down the the east coast of England and Barnby Dun was very near the river Don navigation broad canal,  I though there could be a link. As all these variants of Jervis its an uncommon surname and a Jarvis marriage to Hood marriage must be rare and worth a mention but if Robert Hood was a smith of some kind, then its doubtful the marriage will be connected to Yorkshire or  Tyneside Hood's.

All I'm thinking here is - rare surnames, location of marriages and Charles Turner being born South Kirkby also time period 1700's up to 1812/1815 Selby & Knottingley.

That James Cockin marriage to Gervis

James Cockin *** X Mary Gervis marriage 18 May 1755 Barnby upon Don, Yorkshire, England,

John Spencer
Baptism  24 February 1734 father John***
South Kirkby, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom (By John Spencer the grocer of Selby death there 1809 age 75 born 1734 same as above)



John Spencer *** X Ann Jervis married 17 November 1724 in Kirk Sandall Yorkshire England



Villages of Kirk Sandall and Barnby Dunn are next to each other and about 15 miles from South Kirby

Also John Spencer the grocer/cooper nephew of Conisbrough parks at Clifton near Doncaster

A picture forming around Doncaster and river Don navigation 

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg7668917#msg7668917

Dave

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This is what we know about Jane Hood buried at Selby, Yorkshire, in 1803, aged 65 years, unfortunately the Clerk decided not to list any of the descents on that page (attached).

There is no reference to a Jane Hood headstone in the Survey taken inside Selby Abbey and of the Church Yard, taken over 100 years ago about c.1918.

1781
There was a John Hood, Banns only, published on the 5th, 12th and 19th August 1781, at Scarborough, to a Martha Dean, but that pails into mystery too and we can't answer:-

a) was John Hood just wanting recognition he and Martha Dean were a couple, to live together without Marriage?
b) did one ditch the other?
c) was the marriage intention not Lawful?
d) did that marriage take place somewhere else?

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We also have two John Hood and Elizabeth, marriages at Scarborough, Yorkshire.

1759 John Hood = Elizabeth Hood

He has a much more established looking signature.

The John Hood of Scarborough, marrying 1778 in London, has an established looking signature too.

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1763  John Hood of Scarborough, 25 years and a Bachelor = Elizabeth Leppington of Scarborough, 26 years and a Widow.

John Jefferson was the Bondsman, for the Marriage Licence, he may have owned the ship or submitted the information for the Hull Muster Roll, for the Vessel that John Hood and crew sailed in, because his name is entered on the right-hand page.

At the earlier 1756 Marriage of John Leppington = Elizabeth Spencer, was a Mary Spencer and John Smith.

That could be her Mother, or Sister or other relation?

1717 at Scarborough St Mary, 12th September
Jno Spencer = Mary Barton

and on the same date at Scarborough

1717 at Scarborough St Mary, 12th September
Thomas Shepherd = Fortune Spencer

So a double Spencer Wedding at Scarborough, possibly?


1740 There is a burial at Scarborough for a Fortune Shepherd 20th April.

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1775, 24th December Baptism & Birth 15th August of Maudland Hood Daughter of John Hood of Scarborough.

Rootschatters felt that the Elizabeth Hood that was buried at Scarborough and her burial shares one of these 1775 dates would have probably been Elizabeth Hood, previously Leppington, nee Spencer on the basis of the date of burial only - no evidence, rather that the other Elizabeth Hood, who married the other John Hood in 1759, both Mariners!

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This other Elizabeth Hood (and nee Hood at Marriage in Scarborough to John Hood) must have died too, because that John Hood (seems to be the John Hood to have remarried London in 1778).

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The Baptism and Birth of Elizabeth Turner (First daughter of Charles Turner and Maudland) in 1795 at Selby, explains the lineage / decent (also attached) and I think you found Dave, that John Hood, Mariner of Selby was first married to Elizabeth Leppington (formerly Elizabeth Spencer), becoming Elizabeth Hood.

Mark

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Thanks for the Jane Hood, Eliz Leppington Hood and Maudland Hood info

That marriage of James Cocking and Mary Gervis 1755 Barnby upon Don

Unless James Cocking left his mark that would rule the marriage out straight away - his signature on the parish register to compare with the James Cocking witness signature on the 1815 George Hood marriage to Sarah Russell should give a answer one way or another.

As for the John Hood living in landlord John Spencer the grocer come cooper businessman property or house as a tenant then George Hood born 1786 is becomes a cooper businessman just round the corner of Millgate in Wren lane both roads in Selby. We know John Hood was mariner who would be away from is Selby home alot and even if he was a captian of a coaster/packboat his financial status would be lower middle class,

 So! George Hood would be aged 6 in 1792 and aged 12 in 1798 the right age to start an apprenticeship as a cooper businessman and John Spencer the grocer cooper could have set George Hood financially up in Richard Gibson's bankrupt cooper business being a cooper himself.
Dave

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This is what we know about Jane Hood buried at Selby, Yorkshire, in 1803, aged 65 years, unfortunately the Clerk decided not to list any of the descents on that page (attached).

There is no reference to a Jane Hood headstone in the Survey taken inside Selby Abbey and of the Church Yard, taken over 100 years ago about c.1918.

1781
There was a John Hood, Banns only, published on the 5th, 12th and 19th August 1781, at Scarborough, to a Martha Dean, but that pails into mystery too and we can't answer:-

a) was John Hood just wanting recognition he and Martha Dean were a couple, to live together without Marriage?
b) did one ditch the other?
c) was the marriage intention not Lawful?
d) did that marriage take place somewhere else?


Mark

 Added to above above list

e) Possible Martha Dean was nonconformist and the C of E refused to marry them - at a higher level than the local vicar who let them post their banns but the bishop stopped the actual marriage from taking place.  John Hood got Martha up the duff and George was not baptised for reasons above
with ongoing conflictions with the bishop. (I bet that's not far from the truth     )


https://archivesunlocked.northyorks.gov.uk/CalmView/GetMultimedia.ashx?db=Catalog&type=default&fname=5a%5C01ce6e-8efe-4351-a091-2b6dd33a902d.pdf

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Mark

Mystery woman same as with mystery George,

Seeing as I can't find a baptism anywhere in east Yorkshire for Martha Dean appearing in the right time period, it maybe same with her as it is for George Hood with no baptism and her nonconformist church, either BMD records are lost or not recorded.

She could be George's mum

[BushInn1746]

Hello Dave and All

Thank you Dave.

No obvious c.1737 Yorkshire Baptism yet for Elizabeth Spencer, either.

I am thinking what is it about this family that makes events awkward to trace, they seem a law unto themselves and not following convention or usual routine!

My late Grandmother 50 years ago suggested they were having difficulty tracing our family back then and suggested that the family home would have its own chapel and their money was stitched into the bed mattress!

In 1806, John Turner son of Charles Turner of Selby Whitesmith. "and Where Buried" it says "The Body of Selby Church 6". Age 2.

It would have cost more to have a burial inside the Abbey, than in the Churchyard.

John Hood's last sailing appears to be in 1791 on the Centurion, but by the time of John Hood's burial, the money had run out.

George Hood of Selby, has had reasonable success, probably with his Brewing and Tannery.

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Been looking at the first marriage in 1756 of Elizabeth Spencer to John Leppington, before she married John Hood at Scarborough in 1763.

Besides Mary Spencer is a John Smith as witness.

A book just over 20 years before this 1756 marriage published 1734, seems to imply that J. Spencer and John Smith, were perhaps Gentry, or from that background?

Mark

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This is what we know about Jane Hood buried at Selby, Yorkshire, in 1803, aged 65 years, unfortunately the Clerk decided not to list any of the descents on that page (attached).

There is no reference to a Jane Hood headstone in the Survey taken inside Selby Abbey and of the Church Yard, taken over 100 years ago about c.1918.

1781
There was a John Hood, Banns only, published on the 5th, 12th and 19th August 1781, at Scarborough, to a Martha Dean, but that pails into mystery too and we can't answer:-

a) was John Hood just wanting recognition he and Martha Dean were a couple, to live together without Marriage?
b) did one ditch the other?
c) was the marriage intention not Lawful?
d) did that marriage take place somewhere else?


Mark

 Added to above above list

e) Possible Martha Dean was nonconformist and the C of E refused to marry them - at a higher level than the local vicar who let them post their banns but the bishop stopped the actual marriage from taking place.  John Hood got Martha up the duff and George was not baptised for reasons above
with ongoing conflictions with the bishop. (I bet that's not far from the truth     )


https://archivesunlocked.northyorks.gov.uk/CalmView/GetMultimedia.ashx?db=Catalog&type=default&fname=5a%5C01ce6e-8efe-4351-a091-2b6dd33a902d.pdf

Hi Mark,

(Did you ever obtain a copy of the John Hood X Martha Deans banns entry 1781 in Scarborough parish as entered in Familysearch record index search)

Just been reading this thread with Elizabeth Spencer X John Leppington 1756 in Scarborough Parish

Looking at the marriage image 1756 marriage you posted- it was one of them parish printed marriage form in the register that in-cooperated banns dates and actual marriage on one entry.

So if Scarborough parish still used these banns dates a marriage parish register forms entries in 1781 then the John Hood and Martha Dean 5th August 1781 may have taken place. The marriage index on familysearch says:

John Hood - spouse Martha Dean
Marriage Banns 5 August 1781 St Mary's with Holy Apostles, Scarborough, Yorkshire, England.
Marriage

If so there could be witnesses surnames and a John Hood's signature to compare


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I've posted the Liz Spencer/ Leppington marrige image of your to see the printed form

Though I did notice everybody signed the form (No left their marks) ( which points to educated people on the people and in the 18th century meaning was parish poor educated or wealthy people which usually pointed to records) on th  John Leppington marriage entry

I've checked the Scarborough parish register and the John Hood x Martha Dean was banns only - not a marriage

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Hi Claire & Mark

I was googling and found (some old post pf Mark's)

WEB25 Sep 2016 · John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?

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George Hood son of John Hood baptised Gateshead 1st Oct 1786

These are known facts

Has any research been done of John Hood publican of the Ship Gateshead bearing in mind publicans moved around the country even in them days 

https://www.bing.com/search?q=the+ship+Gateshead+john+Hood+1786&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=0&pq=the+ship+gateshead+john+hood+1786&sc=5-33&sk=&cvid=87A6AE350E0D47A7A2E1E8AE3ACDDB9D&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

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A wild card but timing and location maybe worth a look at as below and its around 1812/13 first encounters of George Hood of Selby


George Hood' appearing in the 1813 Knottingley Land Tax

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/M5SX-4H4/john-hood-1738-1822

Brief Life History of John

When John Hood was born on 6 June 1738, in South Perrott, Dorset, England, United Kingdom, his father, William Hood, was 29 and his mother, Martha Jane Ireland, was 28. He married Sarah Thompson on 12 October 1761, in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 3 daughters. He died on 15 January 1822, in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom, at the age of 83, and was buried in Knottingley, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom.

1789 near Bridport Dorset -John Hood, victualler; (About 15 miles south of South Perrott, Dorset)

Brief Life History of Sarah
When Sarah Thompson was born in 1736, in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom, her father, Bryan John Thompson, was 31 and her mother, Sarah Hoyland, was 28. She married John Hood on 12 October 1761, in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 3 daughters. She died on 28 May 1797, at the age of 61, and was buried in Knottingley, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/0cd74737-0cbe-4442-939b-64efc2d564a5

 (Header of one of Mark's Threads)

Maybe a Thomson connection to Sarah Thomson wife of John above ?

George Hood, Paid for R. Thompson's Coffin? Selby 23rd July 1840[/u]

I've just been re-reading this above

[BushInn1746]

Hello All

Thanks Dave


Your Reply #711

John Spencer *** X Ann Jervis married 17 November 1724 in Kirk Sandall Yorkshire England

End of Quote.

Although, the Wife of John Spencer of Selby, Grocer and buried a Gent., was buried as Mary and most likely to be Mary More, the above may possibly be his Father John and as you rightly say, I have noted that there is a Cockin, Jervis link [alias spelling Gervis].

Added:
For the Grandparents of John Spencer of Selby Grocer / Gent, I have got John Spencer of Hemsworth & South Kirkby, Husbandman marrying Sarah Clarkson?

1757 Hemsworth, 9th November (B.T.)
John Spencer and Mary More both in this Church by Licence
In the Presence of James Townsend ; Joseph Townsend.


1871 Census
John Townend 56, Attorney's Clerk born Hemingbrough.
Hannah Townend, 54, born Selby.
Grandson
John H. Conyers 6 Scholar, born Selby.

Conyers
Not done any research into Conyers the Grandson, but have previously noted ...

Scarborough St Mary's Grave Inscription
St Mary's Flat Stone in the Path,
Here rests the remaines of Jonathan Leppington and also his family the former died 23rd June 1755 aged 48[ ?] Years. Also of Hannah the Wife of Christopher Conyers who died 21st September 1800 aged 64 years.

The adjacent stone in the path was Elizabeth Jefferson daughter of [?]uel & Elizabeth Jefferson [missing] February 11th 1839 age Years & 7 months. Also of Sarah daughter of the Above who died December eroded 1844 eroded.

Whether the stones were laid together originally in the path, or together prior to moving and put in the path side by side, I cannot confirm.


1772 Scarborough
Christopher Conyers, Sailor married Hannah Leppington, in the presence of Eliz Leppington ; John Huntriss

1803 8th October Burials
Christopher Coniers, aged 66 years.


1839, 1840 & 1841 Census
What is interesting living on Hood's Yard (before Gate Yard), Gowthorpe, Selby, later 19th Century was a John Townend, Solicitors Clerk, began life living between George Hood and William Procter 1839, 1840 Selby Rate Assessment Books and 1841 Census.

On the 1839 Birth of "John Townend Junior" at Selby, John Townend, Father, Gowthorpe, Selby, it gives the Mother, Hannah Townend formerly Robinson, School Master.

1841
William Penrose, was employed as the Tanner by George Hood around the 1840 period and Penrose's Wife was nee Elizabeth Hodgson.

So she may, or may not be related distantly to Sarah Russell, (John Russell married Martha Hotchson who signed Martha HODGSON).


Thompson
Paid for R. Thompson's Coffin, got his Death Certificate.


Added: (from light Purple folder)

1840 Death in the Sub-district of Selby
Fifth July 1840 at Selby
Robert THOMPSON
Male
72 years
Labourer
Aged Debility
The mark of Hannah Thompson, Inmate of house Wide Street Selby
Eleventh July 1840
John Fothergill Junior Registrar

Further ADD:
Hannah Thompson a second Wife and probably nee Hannah Widdas.

1798 at Selby
Robert Thompson, Sawyer, of the Parish of Tadcaster 29 & a Widower, married
Hannah Widdas of this Parish, Spinster, 26.
Present: Saml Gutteridge, John Dickinson.


Added:
1841 Census
Broad Street, Selby
Hannah Thompson, 65, Widow Y.
Thomas Thompson, 30, Tinner & Brazier, Y.
Ann Thompson, 30, Y.
Ann Thompson, 4, Y.
Robert Thompson, 3, Y.
George Thompson, 1, Y.

Added
1851 Census Port of Goole
Thomas Thompson, Mar, 37 Engineer & Copper Smith, born Selby.
Ann Thompson, Wife, 38, born Thorne.

Their children:-
Ann 14 b. Leeds,
Robert 12 b. Selby,
George 10 b. Selby,
And children since 1841.

Ann Thompson was nee Cawkwell, married Leeds 1834 as Ann Corkwell.


Although the status is often put down Widow, they usually strike it out as the information did not seem to be required in the 1841 Census.


Got some more on this, seen recently and possibly written down or noted on pc or notebook or on the back of an envelope somewhere, but my folder was not updated and forgotten where I made the temporary note!!


Also a Newspaper Notice
Rebecca Penrose
 ... Rebecca Penrose who died 22nd May 1880 ...
In the Notice is a reference to Anne Thompson Spinster deceased.


So I have got some bits to follow up here, yet.

Mark